Re: Mike, check your email.
 

Eve,

Did you send me something? Which email address did you use? You can email me at:

[email protected]

or

[email protected]

Take care,

Mike Winicki

Soy = Death
 

> After 20 years of trying to educate people
> about health, chemicals, additives,
> pesticides, household cleaners, and all the
> other garbage that industry has cooked up
> for our "good", I can tell you
> that it's an uphill battle. Even with the
> huge trend in that direction, there is still
> a tremendous need for more education.

Most people don't want to know. They will think you are a nut case. But you already know this, I bet.

> PS: FYI - Do you know why they genetically
> modify soybeans? So they can spray the whole
> field with Roundup weed killer, and it kills
> everything but the soybean plants!! Just
> think; if you don't buy organic soy
> products, then you are eating soybeans that
> may have soaked up herbicide several times,
> but the plant's DNA is changed so that it
> doesn't kill them. Roundup is a systemic
> killer, it is taken into the plants cells
> and translocated to every part of the plant.
> That's why it can go down and kill the roots
> of stubborn, difficult weeds. Do yo think it
> doesn't go into the beans as well?

Hey Dave!

Soy was/is one of the five sacred Chinese plants - BUT - it was NOT FOR EATING! They used it for fixing nitrogen back into the soil. It has too much bad stuff in it.

Only after fermenting was invented was soy okay to consume - soy sauce which has been made by fermenting. Everything else leaves the bad stuff in - tofu, soy milk, soy extract, soy flour, all bad.

Try and buy a loaf of bread without soy flour in it. Put in to help the flour retain moisture. Bulk up. Make you think you are getting more bread for your dollar.

By the way, if you don't want to eat wheat, you can't even have fermented soy sauce because they add wheat to it - check the label, see for yourself.

> If you're not eating organic, what are you
> eating? Do you know?

Hmmm. Lemme guess... pesticides, poisons, funny dna - wonder what kind of damage that will do to us after many years of eating it (Thanks Monsanto, you $%$##@%$$^ - trying to sue a farmer for using your GM crops without your permission because his field was contaminated by your GM pollen. Monsanto is the devil.)

> I will soon be going online with this kind
> of info. I will have a newsletter if anyone
> is interested in organic farming, gardening,
> or natural health.

Why wait. Do It Now! Even if it is only a blog at first... even if it's an email thing you send out only now and then in the beginning. Start it now. Iron the bugs out later. I'm in.

Michael Ross

Death..blog?..I'm in?..Say what???
 

Michael, I've been meaning to ask about your expertise in this area. And what was the remark about a doctor? Is it Dr Mike? :-)

> Most people don't want to know. They will
> think you are a nut case. But you already
> know this, I bet.

Yep, naturalhealthnut AT hotmail DOT com until I get my domain.

> Hey Dave!

> Soy was/is one of the five sacred Chinese
> plants - BUT - it was NOT FOR EATING! They
> used it for fixing nitrogen back into the
> soil. It has too much bad stuff in it.

Great for fixing N, some other legumes are even better. Almost "forgotten technology" in this age of chemicals.

Amazing Fact: Chemical nitrogen processing like they use for fertilizer was first invented to make explosives. Sounds like a great thing to spread on your fields to grow our food!

> Only after fermenting was invented was soy
> okay to consume - soy sauce which has been
> made by fermenting. Everything else leaves
> the bad stuff in - tofu, soy milk, soy
> extract, soy flour, all bad.

I have heard some negative stuff about soy isolates in other products, but nothing quite like this. Care to elaborate a bit?

> Try and buy a loaf of bread without soy
> flour in it. Put in to help the flour retain
> moisture. Bulk up. Make you think you are
> getting more bread for your dollar.

> By the way, if you don't want to eat wheat,
> you can't even have fermented soy sauce
> because they add wheat to it - check the
> label, see for yourself.

Yes, it's amazing what you find when you start reading labels. Most of it you can't pronounce, need a degree in chemistry to know what the stuff is. Even lots of the "health" food & products have stuff that you may not want.

> Hmmm. Lemme guess... pesticides, poisons,
> funny dna - wonder what kind of damage that
> will do to us after many years of eating it
> (Thanks Monsanto, you $%$##@%$$^ - trying to
> sue a farmer for using your GM crops without
> your permission because his field was
> contaminated by your GM pollen. Monsanto is
> the devil.)

Yep, yep, and more yep! Hey, I'm sure that "they" have completely and exhaustedly tested the safety of the funny dna, otherwise they wouldn't expect us to eat it, right?

They must know it's safe, or why would they oppose mandatory labeling of all GMO products!

> Why wait. Do It Now! Even if it is only a
> blog at first... even if it's an email thing
> you send out only now and then in the
> beginning. Start it now. Iron the bugs out
> later. I'm in.

Blog? OK, I know bog, flog, log, dog, and a few others, but what the hey is a blog?

Seriously, I have heard the term thrown around, and presume it's some kind of discussion site.

Doesn't sound too appealing, sounds like something from the farm that I wish I hadn't stepped in!

> Michael Ross

I'm greatly honored that you would say "I'm in"

Thankyou for your encouragement to get started. That first step is always the hardest. I have considered a forum to start, maybe one on organics, one on natural health. I registered certifiedorganicinfo.com to use, the health url is a bit more of a challenge, that subject is so overloaded with bs and mlm hype.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Anyone else interested in organic food, farming, gardening, or anything in the organic industry
Or
Anyone with an interest in natural ways to improve your health with wise changes to your diet and lifestyle instead of pills, chemicals, and surgery. No "magic silver bullet" here, just common sense.
Welcome to email me:
purelyorganic AT hotmail DOT com
naturalhealthnut AT hotmail DOT com

Just remember to change AT to @ and change DOT to .

PS: Michael/Dien Would this be considered email solicitation? :-)




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Soylent Green is especially nasty stuff [DNO]
 

dno
> Michael, I've been meaning to ask about your
> expertise in this area. And what was the
> remark about a doctor? Is it Dr Mike? :-)

> Yep, naturalhealthnut AT hotmail DOT com
> until I get my domain.

> Great for fixing N, some other legumes are
> even better. Almost "forgotten
> technology" in this age of chemicals.

> Amazing Fact: Chemical nitrogen processing
> like they use for fertilizer was first
> invented to make explosives. Sounds like a
> great thing to spread on your fields to grow
> our food!

> I have heard some negative stuff about soy
> isolates in other products, but nothing
> quite like this. Care to elaborate a bit?

> Yes, it's amazing what you find when you
> start reading labels. Most of it you can't
> pronounce, need a degree in chemistry to
> know what the stuff is. Even lots of the
> "health" food & products have
> stuff that you may not want.

> Yep, yep, and more yep! Hey, I'm sure that
> "they" have completely and
> exhaustedly tested the safety of the funny
> dna, otherwise they wouldn't expect us to
> eat it, right?

> They must know it's safe, or why would they
> oppose mandatory labeling of all GMO
> products!

> Blog? OK, I know bog, flog, log, dog, and a
> few others, but what the hey is a blog?

> Seriously, I have heard the term thrown
> around, and presume it's some kind of
> discussion site.

> Doesn't sound too appealing, sounds like
> something from the farm that I wish I hadn't
> stepped in!

> I'm greatly honored that you would say
> "I'm in"

> Thankyou for your encouragement to get
> started. That first step is always the
> hardest. I have considered a forum to start,
> maybe one on organics, one on natural
> health. I registered
> certifiedorganicinfo.com to use, the health
> url is a bit more of a challenge, that
> subject is so overloaded with bs and mlm
> hype.

> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

> Anyone else interested in organic food,
> farming, gardening, or anything in the
> organic industry
> Or
> Anyone with an interest in natural ways to
> improve your health with wise changes to
> your diet and lifestyle instead of pills,
> chemicals, and surgery. No "magic
> silver bullet" here, just common sense.
> Welcome to email me:
> purelyorganic AT hotmail DOT com
> naturalhealthnut AT hotmail DOT com

> Just remember to change AT to @ and change
> DOT to .

> PS: Michael/Dien Would this be considered
> email solicitation? :-)

I'll take "Death Blog" for $200, thanks Alex.
 

> I have heard some negative stuff about soy
> isolates in other products, but nothing
> quite like this. Care to elaborate a bit?

I'd need a book ;o)

Short answer: The only processing which can remove the good stuff from the bad stuff is fermenting.

All the techniques the companies use for their tofu, soy milk, etc., might get some bad stuff out, but not all. So you end up with a "mild" poison which has "some" good stuff in it...

Hey, care to drink a glass of cyanide... it's got vitamin C in it so it must be good for you? HA!

Seriously, for loads of info on the dangers of soy, click this link - it goes to a Google search.

> Yes, it's amazing what you find when you
> start reading labels. Most of it you can't
> pronounce, need a degree in chemistry to
> know what the stuff is. Even lots of the
> "health" food & products have
> stuff that you may not want.

Health food store.... HA! Almost a contradiction.

Try this - you maybe already do - buy and eat nothing if it contains a number. Just this little screening process will prevent your from eating most stuff from the center isles in the supermarket. And, if after a month, you go back and eat some numbers you will INSTANTLY notice it.

That "feeling" you are noticing is how your body reacts all the time. But your body just masks it.

> Yep, yep, and more yep! Hey, I'm sure that
> "they" have completely and
> exhaustedly tested the safety of the funny
> dna, otherwise they wouldn't expect us to
> eat it, right?

> They must know it's safe, or why would they
> oppose mandatory labeling of all GMO
> products!

Monsanto is the devil. I have not read one good thing about that company. While everyone complains about Microsoft's domination Monsanto is slowing owning all the food we eat - and altering it.

They have to be EVIL because a normal, ethical, moral, good person would not do any of the things that company does.

I can't believe the media is not all over them for the things they do. I find the media silence surrounding that company to be quite strange.

> Blog? OK, I know bog, flog, log, dog, and a
> few others, but what the hey is a blog?

A Blog is a Web log - blog.

There are a few Blog sites - sites with the blog software. You join them, tell the the url of the page you want to be your blog, give them the login code - the code that allows you to upload pages, then go to town. Write your updates then upload it using the blog - no html knowledge needed.

> I'm greatly honored that you would say
> "I'm in"

> Thankyou for your encouragement to get
> started. That first step is always the
> hardest. I have considered a forum to start,
> maybe one on organics, one on natural
> health. I registered
> certifiedorganicinfo.com to use, the health
> url is a bit more of a challenge, that
> subject is so overloaded with bs and mlm
> hype.

Don't need a website to start an email list. Specially if you use third party list servers.

So your "not having a website" excuse is now gone.

> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

> Anyone else interested in organic food,
> farming, gardening, or anything in the
> organic industry
> Or
> Anyone with an interest in natural ways to
> improve your health with wise changes to
> your diet and lifestyle instead of pills,
> chemicals, and surgery. No "magic
> silver bullet" here, just common sense.
> Welcome to email me:
> purelyorganic AT hotmail DOT com
> naturalhealthnut AT hotmail DOT com

> Just remember to change AT to @ and change
> DOT to .

In this case, email solicitation rules would be relaxed because it is in the context of the topic - and - you have pretty well been invited to post the email address because of the mention of starting an ezine related to the subject - and because we are trying to get you going.

See the difference between this and just lobbing in to a thread and posting an out and out "if you are interested" request?

Re: Soy = Death
 

Thanks Michael,

I read all the negative information about soy quite a few years ago, but I still have friends and acquaintances who want to believe that it is good for them to consume, in spite of a lot of information to the contrary.

Women who plan to have children really should stay away from the stuff, and I pity the poor kiddies who were raised on soy formulas.

With more and more baby boomers now turning to soy powder based protein drinks - hoping to recapture more youthful energy levels... spreading the word about the downside to soy is of utmost importance to so many being misled, imho.

Hope a lot of people read your post...it can possibly be life changing to many who use soy ~ and don't have a clue about the harm they may be inflicting on themselves by doing so.

Best Wishes, Amber

If Soy = Death, then are...
 

Soy candles healthier than their toxic, petroleum counterparts?

Is this another safe use for the venerable soybean, besides building N levels in your soil?

Or are the "bad" compounds in soy released into the air when the candle burns?

Just curious.

Just when we thought we had found a safe alternative to parrafin :-))

DaveH




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I'll let "logic" answer that one...
 

In it's natural state Soy is good for something - not eating, but putting nitrogen back into the soil.

When things burn they give off fumes - many things give off fumes even without burning (that "fog" on the inside of your windshield comes from the dashboard).

Logic says... if something burns and releases fumes, than burning soy candles would release the compounds within the soy candles.

But more than that... what of the oher substances used in the soy candle recipe? And, what's the wick made of?

Why not just use natural wax - bee's wax - if you really want a candle. You'll still have to figure out what to do about the wick. But hey, at least it's more natural.

Of course, the simple solution is to not burn candles in the first place.

Why burn candles anyway? I can't think of any good reason to burn candles. Even in a blackout I can use a torch if I really must have light. And there are "wind up" torches available so no need to buy batteries.

If you must have a candle, go with a bee's wax one.

Michael Ross

OK, But what about romance?
 

> But more than that... what of the oher
> substances used in the soy candle recipe?
> And, what's the wick made of?

Ah yes, burning and vaporizing lead. What genius came up with that one?

> Why not just use natural wax - bee's wax -
> if you really want a candle. You'll still
> have to figure out what to do about the
> wick. But hey, at least it's more natural.

Even if the bees have been visiting Monsanto plants? :-))

> Of course, the simple solution is to not
> burn candles in the first place.

> Why burn candles anyway? I can't think of
> any good reason to burn candles.

Say what??!! What about that romantic dinner for two on your anniversary?

> If you must have a candle, go with a bee's
> wax one.

Without the lead wick, thankyou.

> Michael Ross

Well, I'm off to find some good beeswax candles with natural cotton wicks before our anniversary next week.

Twenty years with the best lady in the world, and somehow I don't think a "torch" on the dinner table would be appreciated. :-))

DaveH

How 'bout this one...?
 

Thinking along the lines of purity and "unadulterated", how about "Nature's Kiss -- Virgin Body Lotions & Cleansers"? Or, something along those lines? Hey, it works for olive oil.

Chris

> The line consists of body lotions, creams,
> facial scrubs, shampoos and conditioners.

> The products are anywhere from 97 to 99%
> natural. The contain no petroleum additives
> like mineral oil and petrolatum. They
> contain no harsh detergents like lauryl
> sulfates. They do not contain propylene
> glycol (a main ingredient of anti-freeze).
> Nor do they contain Urea (animal urine) or
> formaldehyde. They contain no lanoline,
> which is highly allergenic.

> This product line is comparable in price to
> what "Bath & Body" sells their
> products for, which of course do contain
> many of the ingredients listed above.

> Anyhow I'm working with a client and haven't
> found that "winner" of a name for
> the product line yet. I think words like
> "natural" are overused and I'm
> looking for something unique and striking.

> Any thoughts?

> Thank you,

> Mike Winicki