Re: I may have fuzzy logic but that's no reason to make it fuzzier
 

Michael,

> Did a Number On Me.

> Colorful words. What do they mean in plain
> speak?

I'm more curious to know what it means to you.

> Well... that's all I wanted. Not so hard now
> was it.

I didn't think anything in my original post started out hard...of course, I have been wrong before....

> See... I couldn't put two and two together.

> It might have been obvious to you. But it
> wasn't to me because you first said you were
> and Advertising Exec. The TQM bit on your
> website does not say it was at the same time
> as your career in the advertising place.
> See... you know it is... but it is not
> stated. Thus, confusion happens.

I would apologize for confusing you, but we both know that I would not mean it and that would give you further information to analyze and dispute wouldn't it? (certainly not to say that is a bad thing!) :)

> And, not to be too

> You know... one thing I cannot stand is when
> people say... "Not to ________
> BUT" and then they go an do/be the
> thing they said they were not going to.

> Like you... "Not to be too
> particular" and then you go and be too
> particular.

> Why can't people just be brave about their
> actions...

Is there a fine line between being brave and being rude? Let me know your thoughts on this!

> Lisa... check the thread... you were the
> first one to tell us all you were an
> Adverising Exec. You were the first person
> to use a title.

You are absolutley right!! However, you were first to steer the original point of my post towards a discussion about titles.

> Oh goodie. Another fan. :o)

Not just yet, Mikey...I just enjoy having someone to debate with!

Lisa

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It's like pullin' teeth
 

> I'm more curious to know what it means to
> you.

It doesn't mean anything to me. That's why I asked what it means.

See. I don't play silly word games. If I don't know what something is I ask. Directly. A direct answer back is appreciated. And I thought I would get one from someone who says they write business letters.

> I didn't think anything in my original post
> started out hard...of course, I have been
> wrong before....

No. Nothing started out hard. I asked direct questions and got fog back.

> I would apologize for confusing you, but we
> both know that I would not mean it and that
> would give you further information to
> analyze and dispute wouldn't it? (certainly
> not to say that is a bad thing!) :)

Aw Jeez...

> Is there a fine line between being brave and
> being rude? Let me know your thoughts on
> this!

I can't be bothered.

> You are absolutley right!! However, you were
> first to steer the original point of my post
> towards a discussion about titles.

I asked what something meant. That is not steering. That is asking a direct question. IF you had bothered to answer directly, this sub-thread would not exist.

> Not just yet, Mikey...I just enjoy having
> someone to debate with!

Lisa, my name is Michael, not Mikey.

And if you call being evasive, not clarifying things you say when asked and "having a go" while trying to appear "nice," debating, then I must be from a different universe.

Michael Ross

Re: It's like pullin' teeth
 

Michael,

Sorry I don't respond in the way you feel that I should but I believe in just being myself.

I started out responding to a couple of posts that you were not even a part of. No problem as I know that forums are open for anyone to participate in the discussion and I'm always glad to respond and discuss things with anyone. But you were downright insulting while at the same time implying that the business that I was affiliated with was cheating customers.

Normally, I would probably have been insulted and prone to defend myself in a different manner if someone had made statements as you did. However, you plainly stated to me to put on my "thick skin" as some statements may be misunderstood. So, I took what you said with a grain of salt and responded back, to some extent, in the same manner that you did.

I have no intention of debating this with you any further, mainly out of respect for other members on this forum. However, I will say that, yes, I do claim to write business letters and unless I directly do not hold up to that claim, you have no right to insinuate otherwise...so tread carefully.

AFter reading several other posts from you in this forum, I have seen that this is not the first time you have been on the verge of being what I would define as insulting to other people. I participate in a few other forums and have never had this problem before; I can assure you the manner in which you respond to people does not give a good impression.

Lisa

Dear oh dear
 

Sounds to me like someone's chucking a tanty...

> Sorry I don't respond in the way you feel
> that I should but I believe in just being
> myself.

Good. We like it when people are themselves.

> I started out responding to a couple of
> posts that you were not even a part of. No
> problem as I know that forums are open for
> anyone to participate in the discussion and
> I'm always glad to respond and discuss
> things with anyone. But you were downright
> insulting while at the same time implying
> that the business that I was affiliated with
> was cheating customers.

See. This kinds of thing irks me. After all this... now you claim I was insulting. But then just leave it at that. No clarification HOW I was insulting... or an example of where this insulting took place. Just a blanket statement... "you were downright insulting" and then you run away... "I have no intention of debating this with you any further..." and then put on your good-guy badge... "mainly out of respect for other members on this forum."

I got news for ya... the forum loves threads where people go head to head.

As for "implying"...

I implied nothing. I stated I was doubtful. I was honest about it. And gave an example to show it. And I still stand by it. The Yellow Pages is a BIG organisation. It is impossible for one section to know what another section does. Jeez... even car salesmen don't know how much money the dealer makes when they sell a car below invoice - yes the deal makes money when a car is sold below invoice. You seem to have taken my doubt about the Yellow Pages quite personally. Odd.

> Normally, I would probably have been
> insulted and prone to defend myself in a
> different manner if someone had made
> statements as you did. However, you plainly
> stated to me to put on my "thick
> skin" as some statements may be
> misunderstood. So, I took what you said with
> a grain of salt and responded back, to some
> extent, in the same manner that you did.

Oh... now it's my fault is it... you were just responding back like I did. But hang on... a minute ago you just said... "I believe in just being myself"

So now you're tell me (us) you weren't being yourself?

> I have no intention of debating this with
> you any further, mainly out of respect for
> other members on this forum. However, I will
> say that, yes, I do claim to write business
> letters and unless I directly do not hold up
> to that claim, you have no right to
> insinuate otherwise...so tread carefully.

Again... I insinuated nothing. I was up front and open and said, "A direct answer back is appreciated. And I thought I would get one from someone who says they write business letters."

That is the truth. You see... a business letter is direct and to the point. Your answers were not. As you claim to write business letters I expected a business letter like response... direct and to the point.

WHAT do you think I am insunuating? (I told you... I don't play stupid games. I come right out and say something.)

> AFter reading several other posts from you
> in this forum, I have seen that this is not
> the first time you have been on the verge of
> being what I would define as insulting to
> other people.

Thank you for your views.

And please allow me to also inform you of how I see your posting...

Blah... can't be bothered informing you.

But if you had in fact read other posts by me, you would have noticed I state things plainly. I cannot be bothered with insinuation games and whatnot.

I participate in a few other
> forums and have never had this problem
> before;

What problem are you talking about?

Is that the problem of people (me) keep asking the question until you actually answer it?

So you are more used to people accepting the foggy waffley answer. Fine. So you know... I won't accept fluff answers when I want to know something. If that makes you THINK to answer... than I believe I have accomplished something.

I can assure you the manner in which
> you respond to people does not give a good
> impression.

That's what you think.

Other people are quite fine with the way I respond to them.

By the way... I am still waiting to find out what "did a number on me" means. (Guess I'll never find out now you have decided not to participate in this with me anymore. HA!)

Michael Ross

hold on!
 

Okay Michael, I know you don't need my defense of you but I am going to chime in anyway!

> I started out responding to a couple of
> posts that you were not even a part of. No
> problem as I know that forums are open for
> anyone to participate in the discussion and
> I'm always glad to respond and discuss
> things with anyone. But you were downright
> insulting while at the same time implying
> that the business that I was affiliated with
> was cheating customers.

Okay, first it sounds like you are implying that Michael shouldn't have responded since he wasn't apart of the original disscussion, but using that logic, you (and everyone else shouldn't have replied - in fact no one should ever reply to a post).

Micheal was "dwonright insulting"? That's funny! I have never found him insulting (and it's not just becuase you share the name of my son and father, Michael ). He is however a "straighter shooter" and tells it how it is.

> Normally, I would probably have been
> insulted and prone to defend myself in a
> different manner if someone had made
> statements as you did. However, you plainly
> stated to me to put on my "thick
> skin" as some statements may be
> misunderstood. So, I took what you said with
> a grain of salt and responded back, to some
> extent, in the same manner that you did.

Hmm - maybe with some actual information instead of the hints and "fog". Oh, I have heard of your "title" before and it has always seemed to me to be insubstantial. I have another story regarding that but I don't want to get off topic (remind me Michael to mention foggy claims sometime)

> I have no intention of debating this with
> you any further, mainly out of respect for
> other members on this forum. However, I will
> say that, yes, I do claim to write business
> letters and unless I directly do not hold up
> to that claim, you have no right to
> insinuate otherwise...so tread carefully.

Hmm - "tread carefully" - what is that supposed to mean - a veiled threat (against what i'd like to know). I will say that if your letter were anything like your posts, they would be filed in my circular file cabinet. And, don't stop out of "respect" for the members - we love a good debate, as long as it isn't clouded in fog.

> AFter reading several other posts from you
> in this forum, I have seen that this is not
> the first time you have been on the verge of
> being what I would define as insulting to
> other people. I participate in a few other
> forums and have never had this problem
> before; I can assure you the manner in which
> you respond to people does not give a good
> impression.

Hmm (again) ... Michael doesn't make a good impression?! The only reason I read this was because I saw he had posted. And problem? What problem? Michael (who, by the way, is highly respected by many here) simply asked for clarification.

Now if you want insulting, get me on a roll

Have a good day,

Tam