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Bob Beckman February 16, 2001 04:34 PM

Re: Thanks, Amber . . .
 
my monthly massages help keep me healthy, flexible and sane! I tend to vary between deep tissue and shiatsu, to keep the old bod guessing:-)

And you're right, that cayenne is something, but easily adapted to over a short time. I take it seriously as my Dad dropped dead of a heart attack in his early forties (on his way home from the hospital after a physical!!!!)

Bob

Michael Ross February 16, 2001 08:49 PM

Tisk Tisk.
 
Amber, if you were a child I'd sit you down and give you a good stern talking to. You're not, and I'm still going to. :o)

With a CFIDS attack and repeated attacks stemming back to the 80s I'd have bet anything you hadn't found the WHY.

As I read about the flood, my first thought was, "you've got mold." But then I saw, you discovered this.

Then the bit about the new furniture... and I thought, "Oh boy, you've just compounded the problem." And then I saw, you also discovered this.

There's not much you can do about the mold, except move (do you have a basement... they're good places for mold to remain and filter up into the house through the air ducts).

Did you rip up the carpet and bin the furniture? Do you now just walk around on floor-boards or bare concrete and use real wood furniture not sawdust-glued-together furniture?

If not, why not?

Do your children now about these things? If so, let me at em.

Kids all over the place harp on to their parents about smoking... and that's based on the possibility of getting sick at some point in the future.

I hope they were like, "Mom, the carpet's making you sick, lets get rid of it. We're happy to walk on concrete as long as you're well".

And your husband... boy do I got a bone to pick with him. Same reasons.

My God woman... you're like someone who knows the pain in their thumb is because they keep hitting it with a hammer and who figures they'll be all right as long as they take pain relief tablets. It's easier to stop hitting it with a hammer.

You're living in a place you know is the cause of the problem and don't appear to be doing anyting about it.

As the Terminator says, "GET OUT!"

Move.

I'm sure your family will understand. And if they don't... let me give em an ear-bashing.

On one hand I'm mad at you - I've just told you why. And on the other hand I'm not. Because at least you know of the dangers within your "environment" and can pass this hard-gained knowledge on to your kids. And they can pass it on to their kids and so on.

Okay. I've had my say.

On a mold-related side note...

You do know there's also mold in certain food, I assume.

I've heard one thing you can take to help your body with the mold already in it is: Vitamin C (10 grams or 2 tsp.), a B50 complex (2 tablets), and niacinamide (three 500mg tablets). This is supposed to help detoxify the mycotoxins already in you and help remove the "gag" mold places on your white blood cells.

And sprinkling some Vitamin B powder on mold-suspect food is meant to "kill off" the mold.

Don't know if it's true. But it can't hurt to try, can it? And whatever can give you an edge, right?

OH... thought... a book on Cayenne done in the same style the book on Vinegar was done (maybe only Australians were subjected to the never-ending ads :o)).

I just did a search at Amazon. There appear to only be two books about Cayenne: "The Healing Power of Cayenne Pepper : Complete Handbook of Cayenne Home Remedies" and "The Health Benefits of Cayenne (Keats Good Health Guides)".

The first book was published in December last year - it's pretty new - and has a sales-rank of 129,583. (and people who bought it also bought Left For Dead which was already mentioned in this thread)

Wonder how it would go bought from the wholesaler and placed in certain health shops... maybe even on consigment. Hmmm.

It's interesting to see the length of this whole thread. There's obviously a lot of interest in Healing Yourself.

My opinion is that most Doctors are only good for one thing... fixing you when you're broken - setting broken limbs and stitching up bad cuts.

Other than that, all they do is prescribe antibiotics as a cure-all. HA!

If you're interested, Dr Sam Chachoua http://www.remissions.org/ seems to be making some interesting inroads in to Cancer Treatment and tissue regeneration. Won $10,000,000 in damages from UCLA for ruining his research too. HA!

And Royal Raymond Rife is fascinating. Apparantly he wanted to GIVE his Frequency Generator, which had a 100% success rate in curing cancer, to the world. His refusal to patent the device and turn it into a cash cow saw all his funding dry up and the ridicule begin.

There seems to be a consitent pattern to this. And from "men of science" who supposedly are about discovering new things. (I'm amazed at how so many scientists seem to be close-minded about new ideas. They have the same mind-set as those of old who refused to accept the earth's roundness, etc. You'd think after seeing the past performance of scientists in putting new things down when those new things were put forward by individuals and turned out to be correct, they'd have learned. Alas.)

Michael Ross.

P.S. Amber, don't take my pushing as "having a go at you" but please, move as soon as you can. Okay.

Dien Rice February 16, 2001 10:15 PM

Closed-minded scientists....
 
Hi Michael,

> There seems to be a consitent pattern to
> this. And from "men of science"
> who supposedly are about discovering new
> things. (I'm amazed at how so many
> scientists seem to be close-minded about new
> ideas. They have the same mind-set as those
> of old who refused to accept the earth's
> roundness, etc. You'd think after seeing the
> past performance of scientists in putting
> new things down when those new things were
> put forward by individuals and turned out to
> be correct, they'd have learned. Alas.)

Just thought I'd jump in here and agree with you regarding closed-minded scientists.... :)

I've been lucky to have worked with a couple scientists who some would consider geniuses, and also I've also come across more mediocre ones.... My impression was that the more brilliant the scientist was, the more open-minded he or she was to new ideas.... They might be a bit skeptical, but you can be skeptical yet still be open-minded to the possibility of a new idea being right.

However, the majority of scientists are not like this, and tend to "follow the crowd" too much, and just go along with whatever the "standard" view is at the time without questioning it at all.... Unfortunately, they are more likely to ridicule new ideas, than be open-minded to them....

I personally try to keep an open-mind about things in general.... I think it's healthy to question everything, and find out what's right for yourself (if you have the means to do so).... It's through questioning the status quo that we make progress. :)

- Dien

Dien Rice February 16, 2001 10:20 PM

Re: Did you know someone's doing a double-blind (cont.)
 
Hi Boyd,

That sounds like interesting research.... I've heard of past research which (like you mentioned) showed that prayer helped, though I guess I always assumed it was about praying for *yourself*.... (In that case, it could be explained as psychological....)

I guess as is clear to most, I'm generally a spiritual person, so I use prayer myself a lot.... If it is shown to help, all the better.... :) It's not generally the main purpose of prayer, but if it is shown to help with illness, then it's a nice extra benefit.... :)

- Dien

Dien Rice February 16, 2001 10:29 PM

Re: Thanks Dien Re: The immune system....
 
Hi Amber,

> Sterolins are part of my personal 'program'
> too... and since you made a comment to me in
> an email a few months ago, I also now add
> sesame oil to my salads. :)

Yes, I'm taking sesame seed oil regularly too.... :) I usually just add it to some dish (I sometimes mix it in with corn kernels, where others might add butter....) :)

- Dien

John Williams February 16, 2001 11:43 PM

Re: Closed-minded scientists....
 
i would have to agree that of the few scientists I have met professionally (mine) some have been more easy to to misdirect than I would say the average spectator (I know that's a big generalisation on a limited sample) apparently because of this tendency you write about.


tricks to fool scientists and real people too

Dien Rice February 17, 2001 12:13 AM

Nothing up my sleeve.... and Presto!
 
Hi John!

> i would have to agree that of the few
> scientists I have met professionally (mine)
> some have been more easy to to misdirect
> than I would say the average spectator (I
> know that's a big generalisation on a
> limited sample) apparently because of this
> tendency you write about.

That's interesting! I presume you're talking about misdirection when doing a magic illusion.... :)

I used to enjoy doing magic as a child and teenager (I performed as a teenager at a few kids' parties, which was fun), so while I'm not at your level I have some knowledge of the art of illusion.... :)

And, having had a little bit of experience with magic/illusion, and also having been a scientist, I think that many scientists are not as good a judge of this sort of thing as they might think they are, particularly when someone is purposely out to confuse them.... Scientists in general are pretty straight talkers (it's part of your training as a scientist), so they're not generally used to people purposely trying to trick 'em.... :)

- Dien

Amber February 17, 2001 08:34 AM

Re: Tisk Tisk.
 
> As the Terminator says, "GET OUT!"
Move.
> P.S. Amber, don't take my pushing as
> "having a go at you" but please,
> move as soon as you can. Okay.

Michael,

Of course you are right. Wiser words have never been spoken! I DO need to move.

With each flooding occurrence, we have taken extraordinary measures to clean and fully restore our home - even replacing the air conditioning system. But each new flooding episode brings additional exposure to the dangerous pathogens which have inevitably overwhelmed my immune system.

Cleaning and restoration can take over a year and even with the best precautions, it is now known that only small amounts of exposure can cause permanent problems such as fibrosis of the lungs from breathing the 'too small to be seen' fungal particles.

However, it is only in recent years that the full extent of the danger has been realized. Now it is in the news everywhere and people are waking up to the truth. We aren't the only ones who are in this predicament.

This was our dream home - custom built for us at great expense. But we see it now - eyes wide open - for what it has become.

It is a huge 'money pit' and a potential death trap.

The stress, alone, of losing everything during one of Mother Nature's 'events' is exhausting and when we were young and foolish, we made a critical decision to pour more money into the home instead of walking away. We regret that now but it seemed only logical at the time since we had so much invested in this property.

We weren't thinking then about the residual problems that we would later face.

Yes, if only we could turn back time and make different decisions and not have sunk an exorbitant amount of money our into a property that is not sellable even though it IS a beauty.

Locking the door and just walking away without a penny of the substantial equity we've put into this home makes it extremely difficult to set up even another simple living arrangement. We will still have to service the huge debt load from this home (while it sits locked up and vacant) in order not to ruin our credit.

It presents a challenge...but one we must accept and somehow find a way to make possible.

Michael, thanks for your comments. I do appreciate them.

By the way...I couldn't pull up the site for http://www.remissions.org. that you included in your post. Maybe they just have it offline to work on it ~ I'll check again later.

Thanks Michael!

~Amber

Michael Ross February 17, 2001 06:09 PM

Chachoua
 
> Yes, if only we could turn back time and
> make different decisions and not have sunk
> an exorbitant amount of money our into a
> property that is not sellable even though it
> IS a beauty.

> Locking the door and just walking away
> without a penny of the substantial equity
> we've put into this home makes it extremely
> difficult to set up even another simple
> living arrangement. We will still have to
> service the huge debt load from this home
> (while it sits locked up and vacant) in
> order not to ruin our credit.

> It presents a challenge...but one we must
> accept and somehow find a way to make
> possible.

In Australia there are three basic reasons why a house may be unsellable.

1: The house doesn't meet legal requirements for some reason. Like maybe the pool doesn't have a fence around it, or the downpipe has come away from it's conection at the ground level. That sort of thing.

2: Legal action pending. Like maybe a new fence was built and you, as the seller, don't want to pay for your share and your neighbor takes action to be reinbursed. Or your being sued, etc.

3: Unique design. Like maybe the house fits your tastes perfectly... and therefore is certainly not most buyers' cup of tea.

There are some more reasons. But these are the most common.

Reason 1 requires money. Yuck. Reason 3 requires patience. It will eventually happen. Reason 2... 'nuff said.

Whatever reason your house is unsellable, some visualization could help. You know... detailed imagination of the house being sold and you're moving out, kind of thing.

You could always approach your bank, present your medical evidence of why it's in your best interest to move, and see if they know a way to help you.

> By the way...I couldn't pull up the site for
> http://www.remissions.org . that you
> included in your post. Maybe they just have
> it offline to work on it ~ I'll check again
> later.

While the site's not coming up, try these two links which are from Google's cache of the site...

remissions.org cache

and...

Some Answers

Michael Ross.

Michael Ross February 17, 2001 06:49 PM

Could MACHO be the reason why?
 
Hi Dien,

You're familiar with "Dark Matter", right?

Anyway, I think it was Stubbs, one of the first people, if not the first, who decided to look for Dark Matter by trying to find MACHOs by way of the light brightness change due to gravitational deflection as the MACHO passed between the earth and the light source.

And at the time he decided to go looking the majority of his peers told him he was nuts, wouldn't get funding, and he wouldn't get a job by going after something so unknown.

It'd be a shame if that's how most look at it, wouldn't it? That trying to discover new thing wouldn't give you a certain job.

But in a sense it can be a good thing. For only the truly inquisitive will go after that mysterious unknown and unproven theory. Meaning, they'll be more passionate about it and less likely to just give up when they haven't figured it out after two minutes.

Quantum Mechanics.

I heard a guy refer to Quantum Mechanics like so...

If you asked 1000 philosophers to spend 1000 years to come up with the most wayout thing they could think of, they would NOT come up with anything as bizar as Quantum Mechanics.

Galaxies and Dark Matter.

It makes me wonder, if galaxies are surrounded by a bubble of dark matter, is there actually anything in space between galaxies? Is each galaxy really like a glass house? Like light can go through the glass (and nutrinos and radio waves etc.) but nothing else, not matter.

And if each galaxy is self-contained, could each galaxy have undergone it's own little bang within it's dark matter bubble?

So the Big Bang would really have been something that caused a series of little bangs in a chain reaction nuclear explosion type of way. Know what I mean?

Has this been theorised do you know? Of course it all falls down if there is plenty of large solid matter between galaxies.

Then again, according to Douglas Adams, the universe was created when the Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed it into existence and will all end with the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

Michael Ross.


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