Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki (Post 35479)

Boy, I'm definitely not a expert when it comes to injection molds and the whole premise of acquiring obsolete equipment but the way that whole industry moved off shore I would certainly do a lot of research into it. I have to think the initial costs would be large and with the ability of foreign entities to be able to "knock-off" products... it strikes me as being extremely risky.

I have buddies in the model railroad hobby business and they have shared some of the ins and out of creating products with injection molds and how it's still far less expensive to source from overseas.

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki (Post 35477)

Great points as usual Gordon!

Maybe this is where the concept of the "toll booth" becomes a little fragmented.

What I mean by that is maybe we need to consider if it's a toll booth that can command .05 and one that can command $5?

Meaning that some business models are going to be more lucrative with far less work involved than others, but that doesn't mean a toll position that makes a net profit of $20,000 a year and requires a half-dozen hours of work per week is a worthless toll booth. For many folks they would be all over that.

Personally I think the "I'm the expert toll position" is in many cases more easily achieved and is easier to maintain long-term than the "find a product" toll position. In this day and age the ability to knock-off a product is beyond epidemic... which makes the lifespan of products (and a product toll position) shorter and shorter.

And while Dan is both prolific in his ability to churn out content and disciplined about doing it... keep in mind that much of his new content is simply regurgitated from earlier content and he's very good at commenting on someone else's content. I don't fault him for that, it's how I would do it. That doesn't make him gifted. If makes him sharp for knowing what he can get away with while doing as little as possible in the way of brand spanking new content creation.

I've got a toll position product that does reasonable well for me. But it sure wasn't easy nor inexpensive getting it started. In addition you many times need additional funds to achieve market acceptance.

Yeah, you can go the wholesale route but that arena is filled with tiny margins and demanding retailers.

As far as what Don does, once you get an advertising product off the ground, and if it makes sense in the market, reselling existing clients/customers on the idea will become easier over time. Again, is this a $5 toll? No. But for many who would like a toll position and neither have the funds to develop their own products nor the time to become a "I'm the authority" toll position holder, the Don Alm approach is better than a sharp stick to they eye-socket. ;)

Originally Posted by Ankesh (Post 35488)

Thanks Gordon and Michael for this awesome conversation.

In my mind, I have 2 definitions.

1. Toll position. A place that you create for yourself in the middle of a lucrative field so that everyone who wants to be a part of the field has to pay you a cut. Dan Kennedy does that with his info products (from what I know, Dave Dee sold more Dan Kennedy products than Dan Kennedy himself - at least that was true a few years back) and consulting (he gets royalty / commission on good performance).

2. The moat. As Warren Buffet says. Create a moat around your product or company so that others can't compete with you.

Dan Kennedy lacks a moat because anyone else can become a marketing guru too. But Sean Ellis has created a moat by coining a new term "growth hacking." He is the first person people will think of as a guru when it comes to growth hacking. Jay Conrad Levinson had done this too with the term Guerilla marketing.

There are various ways to create moats. Patents and trademarks and using legal options (for eg: many restaurants can only either sell Coke or Pepsi products - not both. This is enforced by an exclusivity contract). Keeping price really low so others can't compete (Walmart). Out innovating others. Being the first one to create a platform (Stock exchanges, airbnb.com etc).

I think a lot of Don Alm type ideas are toll positions because no restaurant or hotel will spare adspace for 2 guys. But they may not necessarily be deep moats unless you employ legal contracts to keep things exclusive.

Hmm - lots to think about.

Originally Posted by Bob Blagg (Post 35490)

I have a few questions I feel everyone interested in toll positions would like to have Mr. Brody answer.

#1 What are some of your most successful ways of finding toll positions

#2 What is the best way to contact manufacturers and inventors?

#3 How do you get past the gate keepers at the companies you want to contact?

#4 I would love some pointers on how to analyze the toll position potential of a product.

#5 What is the best way to get distribution for a product?

and

#6 I feel that Mr. Brody's greatest strength when it comes to toll positions and life is his mindset and I would greatly appreciate having him tell us about that in great detail.

Thank You!!!

Originally Posted by GordonJ (Post 35489)

Can the person take a year off, conduct no business and not lose income?

Even 100k a year consultants can't do that.

So, maybe if Don Alm sets his businesses up on an automatic renewal, where they get invoiced and just pay to continue, yes, he has a good toll position. And with all the programs he's done and they simply renew, he has a great toll booth.

This one year off is one way to test a toll booth.

Many in ownership or CONTROL positions of products can easily do this, most gurus or Experts can not.

Gordon

Originally Posted by Ankesh (Post 35488)

Thanks Gordon and Michael for this awesome conversation.

In my mind, I have 2 definitions.

1. Toll position. A place that you create for yourself in the middle of a lucrative field so that everyone who wants to be a part of the field has to pay you a cut. Dan Kennedy does that with his info products (from what I know, Dave Dee sold more Dan Kennedy products than Dan Kennedy himself - at least that was true a few years back) and consulting (he gets royalty / commission on good performance).

2. The moat. As Warren Buffet says. Create a moat around your product or company so that others can't compete with you.

Dan Kennedy lacks a moat because anyone else can become a marketing guru too. But Sean Ellis has created a moat by coining a new term "growth hacking." He is the first person people will think of as a guru when it comes to growth hacking. Jay Conrad Levinson had done this too with the term Guerilla marketing.

There are various ways to create moats. Patents and trademarks and using legal options (for eg: many restaurants can only either sell Coke or Pepsi products - not both. This is enforced by an exclusivity contract). Keeping price really low so others can't compete (Walmart). Out innovating others. Being the first one to create a platform (Stock exchanges, airbnb.com etc).

I think a lot of Don Alm type ideas are toll positions because no restaurant or hotel will spare adspace for 2 guys. But they may not necessarily be deep moats unless you employ legal contracts to keep things exclusive.

Hmm - lots to think about.