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Dien, what other concepts has Harvey Brody shared with you?
Dien, what other concepts has Harvey Brody shared with you?
Are you free to share? Does he have a 5th & 6th gear concept? In the Harvey Brody's Answers to a Question Oriented Person Report, he alluded to other more advance concepts. |
The sports car...
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Dien, hopefully, will chime in. My take...it is like sitting in a sports car, with 5 or 6 speeds. And watching the new driver, who has never driven stick before, try to go from 1st gear to 5th. Thank goodness my brother was a transmission mechanic. I've spoken with scores of people who want to learn the advanced concepts...and they have never even attempted the foundational building blocks stuff. They want to get into a higher gear, they want an automatic transmission for their race... Yes, today Harvey is doing things which are sensational, and make his old stuff obsolete...way too advanced for most people. It is why they are "advanced" concepts. Dien?? Your take? Gordon Jay PS. Here is one example. I'll use golf. Back in the 80s and early 90s I had a lot of golf students. I proved then, and could today, that 90% of all golfers have no business learning the PGA model golf swing...yet 95% of instruction is exactly that model. I created the "J" swing, which was modified from a combo of Lee Trevino and MOE Norman. The club path made a J shape from overhead. OK, what would a fifth gear concept look like? 1st gear is me teaching the student one to one. 2nd gear is me teaching several students at once. (Group lesson) 3rd gear would be creating products to teach...audio and video. 4th gear would be creating a brand which could be licensed or resold. 5th gear and 6th gear would be something like this: I created a CERTIFICATION program, which required a renewable license. I teach others how to teach the J Swing, only AUTHORIZED instructors could teach it. They would attend a yearly recertification program, and then be authorized to sell the J-Swing line of exclusive products. The certification would include a Marketing Program which could show the Golf Instructors how to set up their own 6 figure golf training program...and this would keep them coming back year after year. But, I couldn't go to 5th and 6th gear if I didn't have the first 4 mastered. Although people do try to skip steps, it mostly does not end well for them. IF you can see and understand how the leverage comes into play with each gear...so at the top speed, one is doing far less work and making far more money than at the lower gear speeds... then you may grasp what an "advanced concept" looks like. |
Re: Dien, what other concepts has Harvey Brody shared with you?
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The fundamental problem is, how do you create a money-making operation, with low risk, and a high chance of success? Harvey Brody figured out that the key is toll positions. But it's not just about having a single toll position. It's about building multiple toll positions. The more, the better. Harvey owns multiple toll positions. Your first toll position is just the first step. From your first toll position, you can get a second one. And so on. There are details within these... The more toll positions you have, the better a position you are in. There are plenty more things... Harvey doesn't always teach in a way such that it's "Step 1" then "Step 2", etc. Sometimes he teaches by giving you examples. Something like... Have a look at this letter I wrote to XYZ company, and here's how they replied... After many of those, you start to realize some of the lessons within those letters. You start to see the patterns. But it wasn't handed to you on a silver platter... You had to figure it out yourself from the examples! I have a large document where I have written down all my various insights from what Harvey has taught me. I refer to it often! One of the biggest lessons for me was... No man is an island. (No woman is an island either.) I had this ideal of "doing it all by myself." Harvey corrected me... Nobody can do it by yourself. You have to deal with other people. That's where all the opportunities come. They can be your suppliers, your buyers, your distributors, your partners, etc. I don't try to do it all by "myself" any more... One project I am working on is with three other people. There's a "synergy" between these three other people. There is a huge value in bringing their separate and very different toll positions together. But I'm the one who brought them all together, so that this potential could be realized... (And I made sure I have a toll position in this partnership too, so when success comes, I will also share in the benefits, and it is difficult to exclude me...) Best wishes, Dien |
Re: Dien, what other concepts has Harvey Brody shared with you?
Thank you Dien & Gordon,
regarding toll positions what type of products &/or plastic injection molds has Harvey implied to avoid? He knows how to recognize winners instantly. It appears the product would have to have definite competitive advantage over similar type products & be priced competitively while still being profitable for all parties involved. Dien or Gordon would you ever consider uploading any of Harvey Brody's Courses for all to learn from? I also believe E Joseph Cossman's course http://www.cossman.com/ should be studied as his teachings are timeless too & complements Harvey's Toll Position strategy. His 30 minute infomercial video for his course is pure gold w/o any hype https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swy...ature=youtu.be He clearly says to avoid any product or service w/o paying to acquire an exclusive distribution license. Quote:
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Chemicals and Specialty Products are still golden.
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Again, I'll let Dien speak for himself. As for "products" and TOLL Positions... I've never dealt with injection molds, not my interest...he never implied any to me to avoid, his evaluation process has two parts... the PEOPLE AND the product itself. Since he's been at this for 60 years, his Rolodex is exhaustive, so it should be no surprise he has the ability to 'instantly KNOW" about potential markets. I think a look at what he is DOING, probably gives more answers than any course he might offer up. The COSSMAN concept is similar, OWNERSHIP and/or CONTROL of a product. Ben Suarez gained control via an exclusive marketing agreement for Eden Pure heaters and according to his website, has sold over a BILLION dollars of that ONE product. The guy who brought him the heater, the one with the agreement has fared well too. The problem often is the time it takes to find a product to leverage, and the amount of negotiations. Now, if this link works...meet another of the TOLL position proteges... https://sdkhunter.com/archives/33 Here you find a story about a different kind of TOLL, one which resonates more with ME than molds, oils or specialty products. Sherman Hunter also "preaches" suitcase businesses, and the Joint Venture way to rapid success. Sign up for his FREE membership, tell him I sent you. We have NO rights to publish any of Harvey's stuff, we're lucky he allows us to share what insights we have gained from our private and personal conversations. His grandsons have access to his warehouse and his material is available on eBay. Dien may feel differently, but in my opinion, this PuBlic forum is not an appropriate place to discuss any details about this type of a business...and when you really THINK about it... posting information for PUBLIC consumption would pretty much go against the whole idea of having a TOLL position, would it not? Both Dien and myself are willing to answer general questions, and pass on what Harvey has allowed us to, regarding his concepts, but you won't see us "speaking out of class". Also, and without offense intended to anyone... even this small little boutique forum, because it is public... sometimes feels like we're casting the Pearls into the Pig Pen. There is a great amount of information out there, readily available and the first question I would ask, is, What have you done already? Thanks for asking about this, Harvey Brody and Joe Cossman and others offer up something different from what most people hear about and even then, the ones that do know of this stuff... seldom DO anything with it. Gordon Jay Alexander PS. I grew up with Paper and Ink, and today, CREATION and Acquisition are the ways and means to virtual P&I, or information, products. I like Intellectual Property, IP, in all its shapes and forms. |
Re: Chemicals and Specialty Products are still golden.
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Also, thanks Gordon for the Sherman Hunter link, I just signed up! There are answers to these questions, but the principles are actually the same, whether it's applied to injection molds, copyrighted books, patented products, exclusive distribution contracts, or whatever toll position you choose... Once you understand the principles, you can apply it to all these things... Best wishes, :) Dien |
Yahoo as a "distressed" business, much like AOL was
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Sherman Hunter specializes in "distressed businesses", which are in great abundance. I think of them as another form of "stored value". Be it a behemoth like AOL or YAHOO, or a momma and poppa beer joint down the block... there are many reasons for the distress...many times aging has to do with it, growth to a leveling off, retirement or death of founders... lots and lots of reasons. With a creative approach, and often just a piece of paper, one can take ownership of proprietary properties, real estate, goodwill, list of customers, etc. etc. and be an "overnight Entrepreneur". Dien, your recent foray into the African (you did attack with great gusto, eh? HA!)...importing marketplace dealt with both stored value and distressed merchandise. Sherman Hunter had a decade long partnership with Harvey Brody, as a computer guy and a hand in the publishing business... so, when you read Hunter's stuff, you'll see a lot of Brody like lingo in there. Taking over a distressed business is akin to finding the stored value in molds, dies, tool, and all other rusting in the corner ASSETS. I've written about Tiny the tow truck driver who took over a business with the profits the business was already making. Today, there are many baby boomer owners, with a desire to retire, but don't want to pay the taxes an outright sale would cause... so they are amenable to an "out of profits" buy out, often structured like a land contract deal... Sherman Hunter hooks people up, as well as teaches some of the fundamental principles which were shared in the chain, which was Harvey working with Joe Cossman on a per diem basis and learning and growing, and Sherman working with Harvey... I believe this Toll Position/Stored Value/Distressed Business model to be known to less than 5% of people seeking either a business or financial freedom...yet, combined, they may be some of the most powerful strategies for gaining an unassailable fortress of freedom. Gordon |
Re: Dien, what other concepts has Harvey Brody shared with you?
Thank you again Dien & Gordon.
Which of the Harvey Brody Course's would you definitely seek out to compliment E Joseph Cossman's Course? I believe Harvey had several versions! Btw, Harvey considered E Joseph Cossman a marketing genius & said he learned from him too. |
He learned from working with Cossman.
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I'm not sure I would seek Harvey's stuff, but, if you have the original TOLL Position course, you'll pick up a lot of stuff. I love Harvey and Joe and all the OLD Masters. You can't have too much of a good thing. Both men's material was written decades ago. Several years ago I posted a list of people to study today re: LICENSING and such. One place to start is at hardtofindseminars and listen to a few of those interviews Mike has done over there. Take a look and see what interests you. Today, knowing what I know, it is my opinion that you would want to follow what Sherman Hunter is doing...since he incorporates both Brody and Cossman concepts and is more current. https://sdkhunter.com/ Start by reading the blog posts, sign up if you want, it is FREE. And you may get all the information you need to pursue these soft of business opportunities. To me, it just makes sense to study current concepts which are being used on a daily basis rather than studying historical stuff. It is sort of like me telling people to get Melvin Powers' mailorder course...when there are Internet Marketers killing it. But, if you have the dough and the time, then the course with the orange covers might be a good starting point. Gordon Jay PS. When I was doing the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody thing, I was under contract, and paid well for my efforts...however, I do not have permission nor want it at this point to reveal what I had written, which would have been updates to both Ben's NPGS formula and Harvey's Toll position. Alas, that rug got pulled out from under my feet. But, the good news for all of us today, there are people like Sherman Hunter who had direct working experience with legends like Harvey Brody (10 years with Harvey)...and others, which I will name later. Maybe someone has the list I posted a few years ago, I remember Harvey Reese was on the list for Licensing deals. And NOLO too. |
What to get of Harvey's stuff, and more...
Hi AscendedMind and Gordon,
Harvey Brody produced a number of courses and reports over the years... Generally from the early 1970s to the early 1980s... If you can, get them all! (I have all the ones I could get my hands on, but I haven't read them all yet.) I'd start with his original course, though: "How to Become Financially and Personally Independent." The full course is 5 books - "Parts 1 & 2," "Part 3, Section 1," "Part 3, Section 2," "Special Bonus Section 1: The Acceleration Approach," and "Special Bonus Section 2: Creation." (I mention that, because sometimes people don't sell complete sets of the books.) It gives you the foundation, and is actually a fun read, too. Very inspirational, as well as educational! Gordon wrote: Quote:
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Broadstroke overview.
General...with many exceptions to these guidelines.
Joe Cossman liked consumer products; ant farm, etc. Watch his video and see it is old and those featured had consumer products. Harvey Brody likes industrial/mfgr; molds, formulae, etc. Although he has two big selling consumer products, Zoom Spout and Pistol Grip. Harvey Reese likes Intellectual Property. All share certain strategies, like a TOLL POSITION and CONTROL of a product or asset. They also share a need for TIME, rarely a deal is struck quickly and months and even years, sometimes are needed. It requires patience. There is no one size template to suit everyone. Pick what you think is best. Sherman Hunter also incorporates the TOLL Position, and he liked PUBLISHING products, the ol, paper and ink. Which also require TIME and even though they all might say, "without money"... be prepared to hire a good patent/protection attorney and a good INSURANCE agent who specializes in patent protection...neither are cheap and doubtful you'll find one to work on spec. But, maybe? The OVERNIGHT ENTREPRENEUR method by Sherman Hunter is by far and away the FASTEST QUICKEST strategy in all their tool boxes. One drawback is getting a business where you need to be involved in...EXAMPLES A shoe repair shop (all leather items; purses, shoes and briefcases) is a skilled trade... A guy selling his shop has to have someone trained or you have to learn how to do it. Whereas, a pizza shop can be (and often are) operated by high school idiots... it then should make sense, to look for those "distressed" businesses which can be paid for from profits but also operated by remote means with only an occasional onsite inspection. Finding tools, dies, molds is, for the most part...a long term project unless you have someone who can tell you if there is a ready to buy market. Locating NEW products is easy, but just watch Shark Tank or Lion's Den for a season to see how delusional many inventors/creators are. There is the RARE story where someone turns down a deal and makes it on their own, but my experience tells that 9 out of 10 will exhaust their time, money and energy on a product which no one wants. If I had a dime for all those inventors I spoke to who said, "Everyone will want one"...I might have several pockets full of dimes. If you have no experience, starting from scratch...plan on a three to four year learning curve into the consumer/industrial/IP Toll Booth markets, and the Harvey Brody course Dien mentions is as good as anything. Just be clear about what you want to do, because, for every 1 guy who has a residual income Toll Booth set up, there are probably 50 who tried and couldn't. If you want SPEED, consider Sherman Hunters stuff and new site...BUT don't neglect the old masters as a place to begin to lay a foundation of understanding. Gordon Quote:
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PS. A story.
In the 1994 edition of 7 Steps to Freedom II book, Ben Suarez was excited about the day soon to arrive when he could sell electrons. And eliminate the paper and ink. He foresaw the future.
Too bad, that today, 22 years after his vision, SCI has never been able to figure out how to sell electrons. Also, in that book, he tells the story of how he planned to beat the big corporations (and he did) by being "nimble and fast on his feet"...which he talked about going up against the 400 pound gorilla. Now he is the gorilla. See? Sometimes big success slows you down. Harvey Brody had a successful publishing business, which he closed down and got rid of all his employees. So far, NONE of his masterful work has been digitized and he too, does not sell electrons. The point is, YOU, as a one man band, can compete with the giants, geniuses and gifted marketers...IF you are quick and nimble, and float like a butterfly and market like an Autumn bee. I will give credit to Sherman Hunter who is attempting to automate the whole thing...and is selling electrons (although not his own, YET)... And from a doing perspective, most SowPubbers would probably benefit from thinking about acquisition of stored value, via distressed businesses. Of course, all mentioned in this thread have sensational businesses and they do what they love to do. Do YOU? GJA |
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But then I figured it out... You have to join the website (which is free), and be logged in, otherwise you get the "Error" message when you click the link... By the way, that's a great article! Worth reading for anyone interested in toll positions and stored value... :) Best wishes, Dien |
"The Ideal Distressed Suitcase Business?
Wow, Gordon I really appreciate your knowledge & research! What type of distressed businesses does Sherman focus on, which would qualify as a suitcase business?
Yes, I signed up to read his blog etc. However, I have not found any specifics. I understand the concept of stored value. I like the idea, but what is the reality? Is Sherman over simplifying this? Have you listened to any of Art Hamel interviews by Michael Senoff? He specializes in buying specific types of manufacturing businesses because you can use finance the assets & get owner financing. However, it does not sound like an opportunity Harvey would pursue. Bog down & too time consuming? Art Hamel says: "In manufacturing, you have to buy equipment, lots of it. You need lots of inventory. You end up with a lot of accounts receivable, which means a lot of people owe you money. So, when you’re in there, and you have X number of dollars, lots of dollars invested in assets, it’s very difficult for somebody or people generally to go in and compete with you. Why? It’s too costly" Don’t go after service and retail businesses. There a dime a dozen & too easy to enter into. “I have to ask you (Wannabe business buyers)three questions. First of all, do you have any business experience? Number two, do you have any management experience? Number three, do you have any money? Now, if you don’t’ have two of these, you’re screwed. Additionally, Art Hamel says: "What are three things I have to have in place in order to value companies correctly, purchase them, and then operate them towards a more profitable future... And where can I locate the right people with that expertise to be on my team?" "First of all, in every transaction, you’re going to need a CPA, a good one, and a CPA that understands business. Don’t go to some CPA that’s working for General Motors. You’ve seen the job that they’ve done. What you want is a nice CPA who’s done a lot of work with smaller businesses, that has experience in that, and has also done audits or checking on sales of businesses. You also want an attorney that is used to putting business transactions together, not somebody that is an expert in law that has to do with divorces. You want two experts in your court. Now, the problem is they are the exception rather than the rule. So, you’re going to have to rely on your attorney, your CPA, and also other business owners because what’s going to happen is if you’re looking at electronics manufacturing companies, you’re not going to buy the first one you run into." Sounds very complex & time consuming to me. Gordon, any idea what Sherman considers an Ideal distressed business to acquire as a suitcase business? |
Jim Straw and the most beautiful woman in the world.
First, I love what Michael has done at Hard to Find Seminars and his other site, and I've listened to many of the interviews. Art Hamel is a genius in his own right. And he proves my old friend Jim Straw's point about...
Who is the most beautiful woman in the world? question. The answer is totally SUBJECTIVE. Depends on what any given person thinks beautiful IS. Right? Same goes for business. My brother and Tiny both had a tow truck business, which I could never do. If you've read about the Cuckoo Clock, you see I'm not good with my hands. A power tool in my hands is usually followed with a call to 911. See? Art Hamel proffers his opinion. I would agree there is a lot of slop and mess, FOR ME, in what he teaches. INVENTORY? Lack of product put Gary Halbert in Fed. prison, his supply chain was broken. So, from an absentee stand point, why would I even bother to put the waders on and venture into that swamp...filled with gators, when I can stay on dry land and feast on the low hanging fruit? I know MANY people who operate the LOWLY "dime a dozen" service and retail business, and do very well for themselves. Get to know Sherman Hunter, read as much as you can...and take his survey. It may shed some light. Although I think I could create a better survey, and I usually do on the phone asking questions... the answer to the question: What is an Ideal distressed business to acquire as a suitcase business? from MY perspective (and I can't speak for Sherman, but I think he might agree)... is the one which BEST SUITS YOU. So, it begins with an understanding of YOURSELF. What aptitudes and attitudes you bring to the game. I have ZERO ability with building things, making music (which I deeply regret) and dealing with people who waste time. But that is me. Therefore, I wouldn't spend hours trying to learn to play guitar, it would be fruitless...but if there were a profitable music store for sale, and the owner is retiring... I'm "good enough" at analyzing the books to be able to conclude whether or not it could be added to the mix, but, you won't find me in the store trying to sell you a flute, cause I couldn't tell you the difference between a flute and a piccolo. The most beautiful woman? Why, it is my "current" girlfriend, of course! Gordon PS A part of Sherman's strategy is to be able to look at and analyze a business opportunity from a spreadsheet...profit and loss statement, same as you see the sharks in the tank ask about sales and VALUATION. They know at the first question, which question comes next. One of the best of the ideal (best looking women) suitcase takeovers is Stored Value IP, as our friend Ryan McGrath spoke of some time back...in his "resurrecting" of an out of print book. That, or get the rights to the PRINCE catalog, there seems to be some iffiness about who owns it NOW? But, I like to look at established businesses with a Senior Owner, who wants someone else to have the fun he/she has had for decades. They are very open to ideas. There is no right, wrong, THIS way or THAT way absolutes. It begins....with... what YOU bring along. gja Quote:
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Thanks Dien, I didn't realize you had to be a member.
I've been a member for several years, did not realize the new site required the FREE membership.
Still, it is worth the sign up and doing the survey form. As you remember Dien, I asked you sometime back to save the "Overnight Entrepreneur" page, after speaking with Sherman recently, I believe he is going to post that up, perhaps with some revisions. If you signed up, let me know, I'll show you a couple of "secret" pages that the members can't see yet. You'll be intrigued. Imagine the "Overnight Entrepreneur" as an "automated" project, which is why the survey is important to help put the balls in the right slot, a reference to my PACHINKO machine way many operate, being bounced around and not knowing where they will end up vs. An automated "binary matrix" which delivers the ball to the exact slot intended. As always, your CRYPTIC friend, Gordon Jaye Quote:
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Re: Thanks Dien, I didn't realize you had to be a member.
Gordon or Dien how do I access the article or page "Overnight Entrepreneur"?
I joined both of Sherman's sites. Ealliance.com & SDKHunter.com & I tried the search function with no results. Is it hidden? Plus I would love to read the secret pages. Please consider sharing this with me. Quote:
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Just to be clear....
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To be CRYSTAL CLEAR... I am NOT an affiliate, have nothing to do with the site...I'm simply reporting on it for those who want to know more about the whole toll position strategy. I doubt there will ever be a Harvey Brody update or anything new from his camp. The year of work I did on the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project is locked in a vault, and I don't have permission (nor inclination) to share any of it. Sherman Hunter told me the site is in transition, so even though we old members had access to the old stuff, this new site is a work in progress. I did ask Sherman the other day about the report you mentioned, I think (but don't know) it is in revision. The secret site I would show Dien, and that should have been a private conversation, My BAD on that, they will be open soon enough to the public and the FREE membership. So, I want to make this perfectly clear, so there is no misunderstanding... I have nothing to gain by reporting on this site. I do so because some of you have been hoping to see a Harvey Brody thing, but that ship has sailed. IF you are interested in "Overnight Entrepreneur", or any of Sherman Hunter's stuff, my best advice is to contact his support team. I have nothing to do with it. And also for the record, it has been 6 years since I posted OTHER resources on licensing, IP rights, and all that. It has been TEN (10) years since I asked Harvey the questions in the QOP report posted above. So there has been ample time for anyone who has a serious desire to learn this stuff, and plenty of time to have gathered resources and been doing. I think those who know what they want, and IF that includes a TOLL position will find Sherman Hunter's site to be useful. All questions regarding HIS site, should be directed toward him. I'm a simple reporter letting this group know his site exists. Gordon Jay Alexander |
Re: Just to be clear....
Thank you Gordon, I appreciate your candor & appreciation of the toll position concept taught by Harvey Brody.
I was hoping Harvey would have more passion about sharing his business concepts etc. I'm surprised Sherman has not fully accomplished this yet as both he & Harvey were discussing this over 30 years ago! Too busy making money with the concepts & not enough time or passion to complete their vision? Actually I learned just as much from you & Harvey's sales letters about the concepts almost as much what he taught in the course! Too bad I no longer have his sales letters... Again I appreciate you & Dien's passion about these concepts. Btw, Gordon of course you want to share the following: "The year of work I did on the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project is locked in a vault, and I don't have permission (nor inclination) to share any of it." ...If you didn't then why would you even be inclined to even mention it? Now you just aroused my curiosity about the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project locked in a vault! Where are the keys? Quote:
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The Ben/Harvey project.
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Many librarians, collectors and vicarious thrill seekers visit here, the Warrior Forum and other places. They get a high of sorts from the knowledge. They KNOW. But they don't do. You can find them here, at other forums, blogs and Facebook groups. We might think of them as groupies. The men have their man caves, where books and video and notebooks sit upon their shelves...sometimes representing thousands of dollars spent... they can talk about Abraham, Kennedy, Halbert...or the old masters, or the online gurus because they bought the courses. They usually have a favorite, they are fan boys. But they don't do. And over the last 15 years, we have shared as much information here as anywhere on the internet, and have shed light on concepts, strategies, and methods which have been tested and proven. We have given away tons and boatloads of information, as has the participating members. We long ago realized a huge percent of all people do NOT do. I can name 10 people off the top of my head who have both Cossman and Brody material....and have never sent a single letter to a company or person seeking STORED VALUE. They KNOW about Toll Positions. They do not DO. Harvey Brody became a favorite subject here because he responded to a post we made early on in the SowPub project. I got one of the original courses back in the 70s, and actually applied some of his concepts. But he is just ONE man with the "perfect" business for him. I've spent a lifetime around scores of people who were DOING their perfect businesses. There is no one size fits all. It is good to learn and study... but it is better to apply. IF Sherman Hunter (or anyone) is only going to be part of someone's library...then what he is doing today, probably is going to be a waste of time for that person. Gordon Jay Alexander |
Re: The Ben/Harvey project.
Gordon, I really enjoyed reading your responses, If I may ask what allegedly did Ben do to get incarcerated?
Did he get cocky & forget what he experienced in the 70's regarding his bread fiasco with the FDA? It appears Harvey does not tolerate any business person who tangles legally or illegally with the government. Perhaps this why he distance himself from both Gary Halbert &/or Ben Suarez? Gary Halbert & Dan Kennedy once said & realized most of the courses or information products do not get open or even read! The 80/20 rule more likely the 95/5 rule. Quote:
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Well, I can't speak for either man...
[quote=ascendedmind;36631]Gordon, I really enjoyed reading your responses, If I may ask what allegedly did Ben do to get incarcerated?
You can find this by Googling Ben. It had to do with political contributions. As I understand it from reading the news, it was a "crime" committed before Corps became people, making political donations less of an issue. You can find details through the search engines. It may have been timing, and today, I doubt it would even get noticed. Did he get cocky & forget what he experienced in the 70's regarding his bread fiasco with the FDA? He fought hard for what he believed in, and he spent a lot of money which helped many marketers with what they were doing. The list of Direct Marketers fined, warned, chastised by the alphabet agencies is long. Now your questions have taken a spurious turn. I won't be provoked and neither man needs my help, but, I will issue you a SowPub warning to choose your words wisely, fair enough? It appears Harvey does not tolerate any business person who tangles legally or illegally with the government. Perhaps this why he distance himself from both Gary Halbert &/or Ben Suarez? Again, how would I know their "tolerances"? To my knowledge, he may still be working with Ben, and I'm pretty sure Gary spent his last week of freedom, before Boron, as a guest of Harvey's. Wouldn't call that distance, would you? Gary Halbert & Dan Kennedy once said & realized most of the courses or information products do not get open or even read! The 80/20 rule more likely the 95/5 rule. And from what I understand, neither one cared. What is the point? Anyone who has sold information, old mailorder style or digital, knows about the vicarious thrill seekers. I'm not prejudiced against any of the buyers of my information, if they want to DO, I may help. If they want to collect, if they want to KNOW, that's OK. Now, I'm probably not going to answer any more questions here, especially ones whose answers can be found with an easy google search. I do appreciate you asking about the Toll Position Concept, but, it seems to be a horse that doesn't need any new flogging. [ /quote] |
Re: Dien, what other concepts has Harvey Brody shared with you?
Gordon it was merely question & it was not designed to provoke you or disrespect Ben. Even though it would appear someone had an agenda towards Ben. Why would Harvey even comment about it? I did not even ask.
In fact Harvey would speak about there lack of hindsight, when it came to other practical matters. For example, Joe Karbo's eating habits regarding his poor health. Died way too young I don't believe Harvey's intent was to belittle them, but to demonstrate a total mindset to have regarding everything in life & not just limited to business or the making of money. I know many financially successful businessman, but who don't have a prosperous home life or marriage. Most people limit their thinking just to Harvey's toll position concepts or his making of money, however he does speak spiritually in a round about way. Harvey & Ben along with other marketing masters are just imperfect men like the rest of us... as reflected in the challenges of our ever day life. I do appreciate you sharing your life experience & knowledge as well as others, so please do continue... |
For me, it is hard for the one man band to critique the dotting of the i at THE OSU..
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are just imperfect men like the rest of us... as reflected in the challenges of our ever day life. ^^^ "That's a fact Jack". When I had my golf shop in Hudson, OH, I was surrounded by dozens of Entrepreneurs and so-called "self-made" successes, many millionaires. Being a Question Oriented Person, I often traded lessons, equipment for their business 'SECRETS', which they all had. Didn't take this QOP long to figure out, some of these guys were just in the right place at the right time, they sold their companies to a bigger company. Sure, they were making mid six figures a year, but they became millionaires only by having what a deep pocket company wanted. Good for them and buying and selling businesses is a strategy we often discuss here. So, I had to delve deeper and learn to discern which of the 'secrets' were useful to me, including their personal philosophies. I'm more suited to a Gary Halbert/Harvey Brody strategy of NO employees or limited number, and I like the one man band approach they have offered as ONE template to follow. Also, family was very important to me, which gives me a tendency NOT to spend a lot of time on the strategies of the child free 'guru'. There are scores of IMers who don't worry about a family, some could (and have) lived in a tent. They never had the responsibilities of a family, so they were free to fail faster, which often led to faster success.Then this: as 4 examples; Ben Suarez, Rick Suarez, Rod Napier and Burt Morgan became some of the largest non hospita//university employers in Northeast OH. Literally BILLIONS of dollars have been circulated because of the JOBS they offered. They had employees. NOT a good thing for ME and other one man bands... But hundreds of employees. Combined, several thousand employees. Ben built his company for friends and family. SCI has been a life saver to hundreds of people who were employees of the company. MILLIONS of dollars were spent in the Akron-Canton area and hundreds of businesses were glad of it. Burt Morgan put thousands of people to work with the businesses he founded or co-founded. The affluent area of Hudson, OH was made even more so thanks to Burt. When I walked the plush fairways of local country clubs LISTENING to the successful men and women, I maintained a perspective. At THE Ohio State University, they have one of the Preeminent bands in college. The ritual of dotting the i, is a gift often bestowed upon successful alumni. Perhaps, the one man band can see ways in which he would do it differently, maybe even more efficiently or effectively... but then, the halftime shows would look pretty, pretty, pretty silly if we only watched the one man parading around the field, banging his own drum and tooting his own horn. As a Question Oriented Person myself, a trained observer, keen on winnowing the best of all strategies which suit me...I often will listen, but may put some of the ideas up on the shelf, because they don't suit me... nor my imperfections. Gordon Jay Alexander PS. If you are conversing with Harvey, why are you asking us questions? |
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Gordon, let me clarify. My conversations/questions were very brief with Harvey.
I would always ask for permission as I knew he did not like wasting his time. I had to rely on my intuition. This was not done within a short period of time but over a span of 30 years! What's amazing is Harvey appears to be the same & sounds the same as if he did not even age. His mindset & philosophy reminds me of an old wise spiritual business sage with great perception & practicality. All the successful businessman I knew loved business, but their lifestyle seemed all work & no play. Some worked w/o any sleep for days. They were absolutely driven, but many paid with damaged health & costly divorces. George Haylings, remember him? Wrote & sold reports about unique & unusual businesses via classified & display ads. This guy lived the life in Southern Cal. What I learned from reading & studying these marketing masters is how to live & create a lifestyle w/o getting rich & still be happy! No to many people can do this w/o getting bog down with debt & stress. I live a very simple stress free life, but the cost of living has forced me to reexamine & restructure everything so I can still live the way I desire. I'm amazed at how most the successful businessmen I once knew have either died or have aged rapidly (20 or more years beyond) including others with wage slave jobs. Jay is there any question you would like me to ask Harvey? I don't want to assume your relationship with him. If I ask by phone he always answers any question I have. & No, I don't talk with him on a regular basis. But he does seem to remember me when ever I do call! Quote:
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There's no doubt that Harvey has "cracked the code" here... He does not get "bogged down," and he loves his life... And you're right. A lot of "success stories" are actually very stressed out people. Some "success stories" even do stints in jail...! Harvey is actually a very spiritual person. I don't think he'd mind me sharing that that's another key to his success... He does business in a completely ethical manner... Best wishes, Dien |
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Harvey's aura emanates this spiritual aura or energy w/o even saying anything. It's the vibe you get from reading his copy or when you talk & listen to what he says.
He operates or thinks at a different frequency then the average successful business person does. Even at age 83 or 84 he's still passionate about what he does. Harvey seemingly does not agree with the high priced ticket info seminars, which many make money from. I was rather surprised. Think the likes of Tony Robbins, Robert Allen, Wade Cook etc as information peddlers. Most are based on hype & are not actually doing it or living it. Quote:
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Best wishes, Dien |
Re: Yahoo as a "distressed" business, much like AOL was
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have you has Harvey ever helped you enter into a marketing agreement with a hard product you have found and if so how many? Or how many abandoned properties have you found and marketed? Thanks |
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I can't speak for Gordon, but I've acquired a number of info-products from the creators. Also, in one case, I negotiated a licensing fee to use content from someone else (which they wrote), and republish it myself as part of my own publication. I've also used toll positions in other ways, where I've gone into a joint venture with someone who had a toll position... This is a way of, in a sense, acquiring half of a toll position which before you didn't own... Best wishes, Dien |
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