Australia's leader wants to ban ALL handguns
 

except those used in recognised sporting competition. And to those states who are baulking... he is threatening to use his constitutional powers to make it happen!!

Throw in the recent powers given to the police of one particular state - they can just up and apprehend and detain and search you and your home if they think you're up to no good - with the pretext your might be planning something (terrorist deeds, for example). NO warrant or visible justifiable cause necessary!!! (Sounds like the Nazis to me.)

Holy cow...

What's that song line? "I've got to get out of this place..."

Michael Ross

Little Johnny Howard.
 

I can't decide if there's an underlining menace to Mr. Howard's obsession with bending over to minority groups who want a free Muslim world where if you're not Muslim you get executed or he's just another stupid politician who likes making the headlines and pandering to other minority groups

Probably a little of both.

Australia and the people are great, but it's there outlook which may be their undoing.

Australia is a very laid back country and the people in general have a very laid back attitude.

This makes it a great place to live, but it also means the Australian people in general don't give much thought or time to how the current government is undermining the very freedom and lifestyle that makes the country so livable.

It's not that they don't care, but the culture and geographic position, give a false sense of security.

There's definitely something fishy going on in the Australian government......on one hand they want to follow George W, where ever he goes, but then on the other they want to disarm their population.

Strange days indeed.

MW

At a time when we are confronting International Terrorism...
 

it would make more sense to arm EVERY passenger on an airline than to take away the only way a person can defend themself.

I think it is time to recall the SOB...

Washington, DC
 

has banned all citizens from owning guns and... guess what....the only people who have guns are the criminals!

WOWEE! Who would've ever thunk THAT would happen? By golly....maybe we should all move to Washington, DC where the Libbys "said"..."Society would be safer if citizens were barred from having guns!"

Hold on there! Before you go packing your bags, take a look at the recent stats that just came out; Well lo and behold....it says that "crime with weapons HAS INCREASED GREATLY!" In fact, MURDERS have almost doubled!

Well who woulda figured? I thought those "well-meaning Libs" were really "smart"...using all their intelligence to convince the GUMMIT officials to force citizens to get rid of their guns. Instead it appears that once again a "Libby Plan has Run Amok!"

Now all the Libbys can do is criticize those dastardly police officers and criminals to let this thing get out of hand. Why didn't the criminals STOP all their criminaling? Didn't they know they were SUPPOSED to "go along with the Libby programs and not make the Libbys look bad?"

The LEAST the criminals could have done was carry out their crimes and killing in Virginia. How disrespectful!"

YUK!

The more "you people" don't stand up against the Libbys....the more you is goin' ta suffer.

When you gonna stand up? AFTER your country has been totally destroyed with their cockamamie schemes?

Oh...the latest Libby cry is "da gummit is tryin' ta take our freedoms away wit dis here "Homeland Security" thingee!" "Down with Ashcroft and his group!"

This has become the Libbys new mantra AND....not one of these so-called "intelligent" people have even bothered to look into the DETAILS of what Ashcroft is calling for. It AIN'T about removing our "rights to privacy" as the Libbys would have you believe.

Anyway...it sure was nice to see America beginning to wake up and take a stand against the Libbys and their MIS-INFORMED messes!

Don (7-weapon) Alm
P.S. Come onna my housa youse criminals. I got sumpin I wanta show ya! A few "barrels"!

Hey Don read this
 

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Its truly said that so many people forget this amendment.

Tim

Pocket Constitution
 

Most folks have never read the constitution. Well now what a great stocking stuffer to give this Christmas! You can purchase the pocket constitution from the Cato Institute for only $1.00 per copy. I paid $4.95 plus tax for a copy at a book store but you can get up to ten copies for only a buck each from their website.

The Cato Institute is in the process of challenging Washington DC's gun laws in court. Pray that they win or the libs will rule and ruin the American way of life, freedom and liberty.


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Weren't most of the people killed in Bali...
 

Austrialian?

Shouldn't that tell him something about WHY guns are a necessary item of self defense? Does he plan on outlawing noodles because they can be pressure cookered spagetti "rope"?

And haven't you misspelled his last name??? Isn't is spelled "

Re: Washington, DC
 

It's ALREADY too late.
You just haven't been paying attention.
Research Henry Kissinger and tell me it's not too late. Spend 5 minutes at infowars.com reading the news articles...then tell me it's not too late. When twenty UNer's break down YOUR door Don, then you'll realize this country was lost over FIFTY year ago.
Our boarders are open wide because Bush wants it that way. Research Project Paper Clip, Granpa Bush, IBM's connection to the nazi's, on and on ad naseum. You have all been hypnotised as planned. All that's left is to harvest the Sheeple. We are in SOOOOOO much trouble!!!!!
Libby's VS Conservs! That is a technique to distract you. If you think Heir Bush is the world leader you have been deceived as planned.
Research these words...Dialectic, Diaprax. Read Hegel. Thesis,anti-thesis equals synthisis. Create the problem...solve the problem...control the people. After all the politicians have done in the past...how can you even believe them when they tell you their name? John Wayne is not going to save us. That is just not reality.

Re: Washington, DC
 

> It's ALREADY too late.

WOW what a bunch of doom, gloom and paranoia.

Guess we should just give up now and surrender to the evil powers that be cause there's no hope that faith and right action can ever prevail.

Do you see any good in choosing to be part of the light instead of the darkness and taking a stand or is it too late to make up your mind to be part of the solution instead of the problem?

You can overcome your hypnotic trance by taking action and doing something other then going along with the flock always looking down.

A few sheep have chosen to form new constructive habits and look up or wake up into realizing that the reality is you were created in the image of God and as such you have the power to make things better if you choose to focus on the right.

Just my opinion.
Steve Ski

> You just haven't been paying attention.
> Research Henry Kissinger and tell me it's
> not too late. Spend 5 minutes at
> infowars.com reading the news
> articles...then tell me it's not too late.
> When twenty UNer's break down YOUR door Don,
> then you'll realize this country was lost
> over FIFTY year ago.
> Our boarders are open wide because Bush
> wants it that way. Research Project Paper
> Clip, Granpa Bush, IBM's connection to the
> nazi's, on and on ad naseum. You have all
> been hypnotised as planned. All that's left
> is to harvest the Sheeple. We are in SOOOOOO
> much trouble!!!!!
> Libby's VS Conservs! That is a technique to
> distract you. If you think Heir Bush is the
> world leader you have been deceived as
> planned.
> Research these words...Dialectic, Diaprax.
> Read Hegel. Thesis,anti-thesis equals
> synthisis. Create the problem...solve the
> problem...control the people. After all the
> politicians have done in the past...how can
> you even believe them when they tell you
> their name? John Wayne is not going to save
> us. That is just not reality.

Re: Washington, DC
 

> Research these words...Dialectic, Diaprax.
> Read Hegel. Thesis,anti-thesis equals
> synthisis. Create the problem...solve the
> problem...control the people. After all the
> politicians have done in the past...how can
> you even believe them when they tell you
> their name?

Thanks John for your advice. Researching those words opened my eyes to the fact that only God's opinion matters.
>
>John Wayne is not going to save
> us. That is just not reality.
>
But asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and by accepting the fact that he alone is the way will!
And for that I thank Jesus!

Steve Ski

Re: Washington, DC
 

Glad to read you are taking that road!
If you believe what you wrote...read...and study Daniel chapter 7 + 11 and all of Revelation. For further TRUTH on the subject go to the web of
ChristianMediaNetwork.com for Modern day Prophecy.
My best for you.

P.S. My original post has advice and links that if others take time to research will perhaps learn as much as you have, that's my hope.

I'll second that!
 

> Thanks John for your advice. Researching
> those words opened my eyes to the fact that
> only God's opinion matters.
> But asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and by
> accepting the fact that he alone is the way
> will!
> And for that I thank Jesus!

As a fellow believer and follower of Jesus Christ, I say a hearty "Amen!".

I have done some reading on shadow governments and conspiracies and the like myself. While I have come to believe that there are some 'interesting' and scary things going on behind the scenes both domestically & internationally (and I agree with some of what John was saying or implying), one also needs to realize 1) some things ARE coincidental and not necessarily the result of a master plan; 2) it is reasonable to expect that people with similar beliefs, interests, or responsibilities will end up on or belong to same/similar organizations, committees, etc.; and 3) be careful not to become so paranoid that you see conspiracies behind every door, spies around every corner, and you start to distrust everyone & everything.

In recent months I have also developed quite an interest in Bible prophecy and various eschatological issues. (In fact, I've considered putting up a website on the subject but just don't have the time these days.) My thoughts here are similar to what I said above. While I do take the Bible literally and believe that there are some scary times ahead (whether the events described in Revelation come in our lifetime, no one can say for sure), I also don't think it behooves anyone to become preoccupied with such things or caught up in the "doomsday hysteria". Whereas Scripture commands us to be watchful & alert, the main intent of these prophecies was to comfort and assure the faithful of God's provision for them at the end of human history, when evil is finally conquered. So, the important thing is to trust in God, follow Jesus, live our lives for Him and be prepared for whatever comes.

Whew! Well, that was a little more than I intended to say, but I meant every word. If anyone has questions or wants to discuss it more, please don't hesitate to email me.

Chris

Re: I'll second that!
 

Hi Chris, I agree with you on the dangers of being paranoid. We seem to attract what we focus on. So instead of focusing on doom and gloom I chose to focus on what's right like the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Maybe the paranoid haven't heard the good news about God. I'm not a person of great faith and I don't know the mind of God. I simply choose to believe that God is far more loving than what most bible thumpers make him out to be.


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What Sort of Gun Would Jesus Carry?
 

From a roundup of some of the ground-breaking marketing innovations holding US consumers in thrall:
http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,852021,00.html

It says:

Christian leaders started this campaign to remind consumers that bearing arms is not just a right, but a moral duty. Polls show that most Americans think Jesus would carry a Peacekeeper 45 single-action revolver, but sales of muzzle-loading rifles are up as well.

Best Regards,
Steve MacLellan


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Re: What Sort of Gun Would Jesus Carry?
 

Last time if I recall right He used a Flood.
This time (soon) it will include Nukes, Planet X,
Comets, Asteroids, Flux lightning, earthquakes, the Nephlim, NWO,plagues,pestilence, bio-engineered creatures, etc. He's pretty well pissed off about now. Loving yes...still pissed.
Oh, and get OUT of the churches! Now!

Re: What Sort of Gun Would Jesus Carry?
 

"Peacekeeper", heh! Not sure if I appreciate the attempt at humor here, but I do know the image of Jesus carrying a gun is rather disturbing.

At least one of the apostles carried a sword -- Peter, I believe, who was always getting into trouble --, and when he used it in defense of the Lord when soldiers came to arrest Him, Jesus rebuked him with (and I paraphrase slightly) "Put that away! Don't you know that those who draw the sword will die by the sword?" and "Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?" Then He healed the injured man.

Now, I'm not saying that proves anything one way or the other. That was certainly a special set of circumstances. I'm not sure if there ever would have been a situation that Jesus would have approved of swordplay, but if so, it surely would only be in defense (and self-defense?) of others. And I kind of doubt He would use one Himself -- kinda goes against His character.

As for guns... we're talkin' a whole 'nother time, place, & culture, now. I'll need to think on that one some more. But, there are two things I do know: 1) I personally support the citizens' right to bear arms (within reason); and 2) when Christ returns, it will be "with power and great glory" and He sure won't need guns to defend Himself and His followers.

Take care all,
Chris

> From a roundup of some of the
> ground-breaking marketing innovations
> holding US consumers in thrall:
>
> http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,852021,00.html
> It says:

> Christian leaders started this campaign to
> remind consumers that bearing arms is not
> just a right, but a moral duty. Polls show
> that most Americans think Jesus would carry
> a Peacekeeper 45 single-action revolver, but
> sales of muzzle-loading rifles are up as
> well.

> Best Regards,
> Steve MacLellan

Re: What Sort of Gun Would Jesus Carry?
 

John, I'd like to follow up on some of this stuff with you, but I think it would be better if we took it off the board. While we do get sidetracked now & again, I think we may be getting a bit far off from the usual range of topics for this forum. Why don't you shoot me an email at the above address (less the "SPAMFREE", of course)?

Chris

> Last time if I recall right He used a Flood.
> This time (soon) it will include Nukes,
> Planet X,
> Comets, Asteroids, Flux lightning,
> earthquakes, the Nephlim,
> NWO,plagues,pestilence, bio-engineered
> creatures, etc. He's pretty well pissed off
> about now. Loving yes...still pissed.
> Oh, and get OUT of the churches! Now!

Re: Pocket Constitution
 

Hey thanks for that info - I've got a pocket Constitution myself and wondered where you got them from (a senator gave me mine).

Enjoyed the little guns talk - can I say as a non-US citizen that you do not want to give up your right to keep and bear arms. Mussolini, Hitler, the Chinese dictators all took that right away...

Governments derive their just powers from the governed. The army keeps and bears arms because *you* have that right. If you did not then the army could not have it! You gave it to them.

And as far as militia are concerned: I think you'll find that most people on this forum who are American are militia by the Founders' definition

Ah, enough; I'm getting political ;)

Thanks again for your info and support for the
Constitution!

Darren Andrews.




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