For Dien Rice
 

Hello Dien,

I have been dealing with "newbies" and down-market drongos for 20 years because I did not have the benefit of a proper education. You've achieved a Ph.D in Thoeretical Physics (my youngest son is currently on that route), but now you have chosen to mix with a majority of "no-hopers" who are mostly complete drongos. WHY?? The drongos will drive you mad - eventually. Please go back and GIVE back to the World that which you owe to it, and ALL of US !!


Beauforts Training for Business

Who you callin a drongo, mate? [DNO]
 

dno
> Hello Dien,

> I have been dealing with "newbies"
> and down-market drongos for 20 years because
> I did not have the benefit of a proper
> education. You've achieved a Ph.D in
> Thoeretical Physics (my youngest son is
> currently on that route), but now you have
> chosen to mix with a majority of
> "no-hopers" who are mostly
> complete drongos. WHY?? The drongos will
> drive you mad - eventually. Please go back
> and GIVE back to the World that which you
> owe to it, and ALL of US !!

There is a lot of wisdom here....
 

Hi Harry,

Everybody starts somewhere - even you and me. You and I were "newbies" once too. Insulting "newbies" is really insulting ourselves!

In addition to that, we have many wise and talented people posting here as well. I learn a lot here too! I'm actually often impressed by what I read here myself!

I do have a Ph.D. in theoretical physics, and it means I am an expert in one thing. However, having a Ph.D. in physics doesn't guarantee success in business.... I've had to learn those skills too. For example, my copy writing skills nowadays are light years ahead of what they were a few years ago....

I've always had an interest in business and entrepreneurship. But it's a completely different ball-game from the world of physics research. In fact, it's been very eye-opening and enlightening to having been involved in both worlds!

I certainly don't plan to leave the physics world behind.... I contine to keep my links to the physics world, and I plan to be using my physics knowledge in business as well.

However, the real heart of my interest is "how the world works". That could mean at the heart of matter, in quantum physics (which is my physics specialty). Or it could mean at the heart of society....

In my opinion, entrepreneurs are some of the most important people in society. Entrepreneurs create the jobs. They are the ones who propagate innovation throughout society. (While many "technical" types may be the ones who create new innovations, it's the entrepreneurs who commercialize it and make it available for everyone to use.)

One of my goals has been to understand entrepreneurship. And the best way to TEST whether you understand it is to see if you can DO it! If you can't DO it successfully, you don't yet understand it!

I've learned a LOT here (and continue to learn).... And I hope many others are learning a lot here as well!

(And my learning is constantly paying off in increasing profits.... I hope it's the same for everyone else here too.)

In short, there is a lot of wisdom here, Harry, if you look closely....

- Dien

A Masters not A Doctorate....
 

Hello Friends,

I have a masters degree in chemistry and have worked in the field of science. However, I have not benefited as much from that as I have with entrepreneurship. Through my insurance agency and newspaper business, I have been able to employ others. I have also given scholarships to inspiring students. Now.... I call that helping the world.

Think about the world for a minute....

The richest guy in the world who has helped tens of thousands plus..... Bill Who?

The second richest guy..... Warren What?

The small business owner....

The homebased business owner....

These are the guys who make the world go round. These guys drive the economy. In my opinion, these guys are the smartest in the world.

And.... most of them didn't even go to college. Go figure.

Vondre'
Chief Teddy Buddy
http://www.teddybuddies.com
Imagination Is Everything!


Where's Your Imagination?

The smartest people on earth...
 

...are those with more questions than answers.

(Can't recall the author right now. Anyone else know? ;->)

- Paul

What the Firetruck is a drongo...
 

And should I be insulted? Or complimented?

Everyone at one time or another is a wannabe. It just takes us all a while to get to where we want to be.

In 1982 I thought I wanted to be a computer programmer, it took me 9 months and several thousand dollars to learn the skills needed to QUALIFY for my first job. But that job didn't materailze until 1985.

In 1995 I knew I wanted to be an internet guru (still seeking this status) and offer product and services over the 'Net because I hate face to face selling.

It has taken until 2002 - and a partnership with a programmer - to finally come up a CONCEPT of what will offer us the most return for the least amount of work.

And, believe it or not, the answer is a concept that MLMers keep harping on...

Do something once and sell it over and over and over...

Applying that one principle is the driving force behind SoftNuggets.Com.

We are developing internet solutions to real world businesses. We aren't just trying to sell them on buying a website - that can't be done successfully - we ARE selling them solutions that integrate seemlessly into their real world businesses.

And that we can do over and over and over.

But, if I hadn't taken the first step in 1982 I sure as hell wouldn't be in this position today.

Oh, one more thing. Formal education isn't for everyone. Look at the Robber Barons of the 19th century. None of them went to high school. Howard Hughes never went to college. And Bill Gates never finished his degree.

Does everyone realize how lucky we are....
 

....that Dien chose to hang out with us "down-liners"?

I sure do.

Thanks Dien, for everything you provide here. We're fortunate to have you with us. :-)

Mike Long




Our Resumes Get You Interviews....Guaranteed.

Re: For Dien Rice
 

>I hope this e-mail was posted as a joke. If this message was not a joke.... arrogance is the word that comes to mind.
I have a formal education (Marketing and Sales) and my last corporate job position was Vice President of Marketing and Sales for a large consumer packaged goods company. Because I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I quit a great job 18 months ago, to start my own product design/import /distribution firm that focuses on unique products/designs that I have manufactured, usually in China.
I have given my background, to say that I found this board two weeks ago and I have been amazed by the intelligence of the people on this forum and I have learned alot!
In my old corporate job, I always was looking for people who had "street" smarts versus book smarts. Also, the desire to achieve will always win out over a degree hanging on the wall.
By the way, if anyone has any questions for me based on my experiences, let me know.

Drongo is a .....
 

tropical bird: a tropical bird found in Africa, Asia, and Australia that is usually black with a strong beak, glossy feathers, and a long forked tail. Family Dicruridae.

Sounds like an overgrown Australian crow to me.

later..... Ron

> And should I be insulted? Or complimented?

> Everyone at one time or another is a
> wannabe. It just takes us all a while to get
> to where we want to be.

> In 1982 I thought I wanted to be a computer
> programmer, it took me 9 months and several
> thousand dollars to learn the skills needed
> to QUALIFY for my first job. But that job
> didn't materailze until 1985.

> In 1995 I knew I wanted to be an internet
> guru (still seeking this status) and offer
> product and services over the 'Net because I
> hate face to face selling.

> It has taken until 2002 - and a partnership
> with a programmer - to finally come up a
> CONCEPT of what will offer us the most
> return for the least amount of work.

> And, believe it or not, the answer is a
> concept that MLMers keep harping on...

> Do something once and sell it over and over
> and over...

> Applying that one principle is the driving
> force behind SoftNuggets.Com.

> We are developing internet solutions to real
> world businesses. We aren't just trying to
> sell them on buying a website - that can't
> be done successfully - we ARE selling them
> solutions that integrate seemlessly into
> their real world businesses.

> And that we can do over and over and over.

> But, if I hadn't taken the first step in
> 1982 I sure as hell wouldn't be in this
> position today.

> Oh, one more thing. Formal education isn't
> for everyone. Look at the Robber Barons of
> the 19th century. None of them went to high
> school. Howard Hughes never went to college.
> And Bill Gates never finished his degree.

A drongo, in the sense used, is
 

> And should I be insulted? Or complimented?

You should be insulted. It is meant as an insult.

To an Australian, a drongo is slang for a very dumb person - moron, idiot, dim-wit, etc.

It's an insult on your intelligence.

Michael Ross

Hey, nice Troll, Harry
 

> Hello Dien,

> I have been dealing with "newbies"
> and down-market drongos for 20 years

What concerns me is, this is how you think of your own customers.

NOT as people who are actually trying to better themselves. But as drongos.

At one point in your life, you too were a "newbie" and could have been considered a "drongo" from a certain point of view.

Some people learn slower than others. And in the real world, this is not surprising thanks to our rote learning system. Kids are taught to learn by rote, but we actually learn by doing. So when the adult encounters a "learn by doing" task, they understandably do not exactly know how to procede. And instinctively revert back to a spoon-fed learn by rote mentality.

This does not make them a "drongo" or any less of a person.

I once witnessed a "leading hand" get right up one of his crew. A crew member who was "new" on the job.

After a couple of minutes of yelling and screaming at this new guy for not doing a certain job, the new guy quite calmly (to my surprise) said, "But Bob, you haven't shown me how to do that yet."

> because
> I did not have the benefit of a proper
> education.

I am detecting a little "victim-hood" here. As in I have to deal with people I consider to be mentally inferior to myself and not really worth my time, because I didn't get a degree.

It's actually probably a good thing you didn't get a degree because, in my experience, people with degrees (even just a BA) become "Academic Snobs." Too good to mix with people who have no degree. (There are exceptions, like Dien.)

As you seem to already consider people drongos, a degree would make your outlook worse.

> You've achieved a Ph.D in
> Thoeretical Physics (my youngest son is
> currently on that route),

It's great for people to go as far as they go in a field they thoroughly enjoy. However, that does not make then any better a person.

Dien may know things we could never grasp. His PhD is proof he has added New knowledge to the field of Quantum Physics. But can Dien build a car engine from scratch - or even repair a car engine? Can Dien hand make a reproduction Victorian Side Table?

Probably not on both accounts. Yet a person Without a degree can do those things. And they may even have left school (did not graduate) to learn their skill.

> but now you have
> chosen to mix with a majority of
> "no-hopers" who are mostly
> complete drongos.

Again, we have an attack on a person's intelligence.

Let me ask you... what defines someone as being a "drongo" to you?

> WHY?? The drongos will
> drive you mad - eventually. Please go back
> and GIVE back to the World that which you
> owe to it, and ALL of US !!

I'm not entirely sure what you think Dien OWES to You, or anyone, as far as physics goes. And I'm sure, there are billions of people in the world whose lives will not change one iota, even if Dien should discover the one unifying theory of the universe. To many, it would matter. To many more, nothing would change.

So what actually do you think Dien OWES to "us?"

Michael Ross

Gimme a break, already!
 

> Hello Dien,

> I have been dealing with "newbies"
> and down-market drongos for 20 years because
> I did not have the benefit of a proper
> education.

Good Grief!

I see educational snobbery here! (Translation: drudges who manage to eek through enough courses to qualify for the degree (by leaching and cheating), while NONE of the process changes them fundamentally . . . and none of the knowledge they'vr gained is furthered by their ruminations)

Those who seek further degrees (especially in what is called "difficult subjects," are those who want to KNOW! Often, if what they learn and discover is useful to the rest of the world, it is entirely irrelevant, and is a by-product of their quest.

Read "Atlas Shrugged," Son.

You may want to refrain from trying to control-dictate to-influence the minds that only want to learn. They may learn and leave you to whatever You are equipped with . . .

Geez!