Migrant Success Secrets
 

There seems to be an imbalance to success when migrants are added to the numbers.

From the outside, migrants appear to have a higher proportion of successful people from their numbers than people born within the country.

And this out-of-whack ratio applies to all western countries - migrants succeed in Australia more than Australians, migrants succeed in the US more than people born in the US, migrants succeed in the UK more than people born there.

We can, in an initial and dismissive way, attribute this to some kind of work ethic - they work harder.

And while that may be the case, that would be an observed result of something else.

In other words... they tend to do jobs other people don't want to do. They tend to do menial tasks. "Idiot work." Often, it is thought, they do these jobs because they don't have the formal qualifications to do anything better (but what does "better" mean?).

And while that may be true, there are many natural born citizens who also work those jobs and who do not succeed.

Without formal qualifications many start their own little businesses. But again, if starting a business was all that mattered than plenty of natural born citizens would also go on to the success migrants do. But it doesn't happen.

As a group, more successes come from migrants than from other groups.

Why is it so?

There is one thing all migrants have in common that gives them an advantage over natural born citizens. It is something all natural born citizens can also have, if they want to.

Before I reveal it I want to hear what others think it is...

So why do migrants tend to succeed more so than natural born citizens?

Michael Ross

Migrants are "Hungry"
 

My opinion is that someone who is willing to migrate from their homeland to a strange country is:

1. in search of something better
2. takes great risk in order to find that something.
3. is willing to do whatever it takes to succeed unlike the 99% of their countrymen who stay put.

It takes a different type of person to do something like this. That's why I think they succeed much more than natural born citizens in the same line of work.

It's An Open Secret...
 

It's An Open Secret...

The migrants think 'step-by-step'.
He/She needs $20.
Just $20.
You can buy a lot with $20.
You take ANY job, do anything to earn those $20.
Then you set another 'goal' - to earn $20 MORE.
And so on, and so on...

You DON'T have global ambitions, you are NOT thinking about 'building the Internet empire'... or 'writing a book'...

If an immigrant sells books he tries to sell just ONE book, and then another, he is not 'dreaming' of selling to millions of people...

If an immigrant is to find a client he finds ONE client and then one more....

For an immigrant a 'success' is DEFINED by one-step-at-a-time...

For an immigrant everything is IMPOSSIBLE unless it can't be done NOW (and hence - by small portions).

Actually, as one sage put it, there is NO way to achieve 'success' except for putting one foot forward and then another foot forward. Period.

Stop whining about your site 'not-getting-enough hits, customers, buyers'.

Find only ONE buyer, one listener, one reader...

This is how you get a 'migrant' mentality WITHOUT being a migrant...

No 'ambitions', no 'desires', no 'wants', no 'passions'.

Just $20 at-a-time...

Simon

"The Wealthy 100"
 

Hi,

You wrote:
> From the outside, migrants appear to have a
> higher proportion of successful people from
> their numbers than people born within the
> country.

I seen a book recently (link follows this message) that supports your assertion. This book profiles the wealthiest 100 American businesspeople of all time. Ben Franklin is on the list as are the two soapy guys who started Amway.

[quote]

Looking over the list, I think the most interesting aspect of the list is how many of these successful entrepreneurs were immigrants, their sole baggage on the long ocean voyage little more than a large dream. Andrew Carnegie, John Jacob Astor, Stephen Girard, Alexander Stewart, Frederick Weyerhauser, William Weightman, Claus Spreckels, Anthony Brady, Adolphus Busch, John Kluge, Joseph Pulitzer, Samuel Slater, and August Belmont were not native-born Americans. In fact, five of the top ten were born in Europe and came here seeking a better life, which they ultimately found.

[unquote]

Hope this adds something to the thread you're building.

Best,

- Boyd


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Migrants don't know what CAN'T be done
 

Migrants don't have the internal governer most of us "Natural Borns" have that tugs at our gut and says, "ah, that can't be done because..."

Their naivety is an asset.

James




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Good point... but
 

> My opinion is that someone who is willing to
> migrate from their homeland to a strange
> country is:

> 1. in search of something better
> 2. takes great risk in order to find that
> something.
> 3. is willing to do whatever it takes to
> succeed unlike the 99% of their countrymen
> who stay put.

> It takes a different type of person to do
> something like this. That's why I think they
> succeed much more than natural born citizens
> in the same line of work.

Here's an interesting thought... we do not choose in which country we want to live. We are born in a certain country and most people remain living in that country until they pass away.

A migrant chooses not to be bound by that. They decide (choose) in which country they would rather live and go live there. Truly taking action on what they want to do.

So by that token alone - their willingness to take action in being in control of their life - they are ahead of natural born citizens. And that ability is something they can carry over into the other areas of their life - such as building wealth.

(By the same token... most people stick with the name that was given to them by someone else. A person in full control of their life would choose their own name, would they not?)

And while this is an interesting point and observation - in search of something better, etc. - and while it may apply, it is not the one thing I have in mind. What I have in mind is intrinsic to migrants. They have no choice in it.

Michael Ross

Close...
 

> He/She needs $20.
> Just $20.
> You can buy a lot with $20.
> You take ANY job, do anything to earn those
> $20.
> Then you set another 'goal' - to earn $20
> MORE.
> And so on, and so on...

Simon, you are close to the answer I am looking for. Very close. Go one step deeper. One step prior. The reason for wanting the $20 in the first place.

Why do others want to have instant riches?

Why is the migrant happy to make $20?

What is the difference between the two?

The advantage I am looking for is part of being a migrant. They can lose their advantage, sure. But they have it the moment they arrive in the country.

The answer is actually quite simple. Not mystical. Plain. People will even be disappointed when they find out what it is. But it is obviously hard to see (invisible?) otherwise it would have already been mentioned.

Michael Ross

True, as well...
 

> Migrants don't have the internal governer
> most of us "Natural Borns" have
> that tugs at our gut and says, "ah,
> that can't be done because..."

This goes hand-in-hand with what I mentioned to Jack. Most people would not think they can go live in another country. The migrant is not stopped by those thoughts. They take more control of their life.

But there is another advantage. It is a bigger advantage.

Migrants have it. Most people don't. Most people only get the advantage once they are in a position in which they can't make full use of the advantage.

Michael Ross

Even in the UK...
 

Looking over the list of the UK's richest - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,2108,00.html - there are also a heck of a lot of migrants. And very few "internet, hi-tech" guys.

Now, there is a clue in the quote below...

> [quote]

> Looking over the list, I think the most
> interesting aspect of the list is how many
> of these successful entrepreneurs were
> immigrants, their sole baggage on the long
> ocean voyage little more than a large dream.

> [unquote]

> Hope this adds something to the thread
> you're building.

Oh yes, Boyd, it does.

The cryptic puzzle awaits solving... :o)

Michael Ross

I can speak from experience...
 

Hi Michael and everybody,

*I apologize in advance if this post sounds like I'm bragging. In a way I guess I am.*

My family (Mom, Dad, brother, me) came to the wonderful US of A from Poland 21 years ago, just 4 days shy of my 1st birthday...and just a few months before Marshall Law was instituted in Poland. Weren't we lucky?

Anyway...

We had 2 suitcases and $400.

My father was a well educated man who studied mechanical engineering in Poland.

He took a minimum wage factory job in the US because it's all he could get.

My mother had a Masters Degree in Chemistry (some specialization of it) and she stayed home to take care of me and my brother until I was 7. Then she got a MINIMUM WAGE job working as a chemist (in her specialized field...I, unfortunately, don't know exactly what it is.)

Today...
My dad works as a Senior Designer at General Motors. My mother works at a small environmental laboratory...no longer at minimum wage.

We now (yes, I still live with my parents!) live in a beautiful new house bigger (almost 3,000 square feet) than anything either of my parents probably ever thought they'd have.

It's already been mentioned, but the reason many immigrants make it is because they work one step at a time. There's no rush to be successful. They just want to live better than the day before and they'll do anything and everything in their power to get there.

No, my parents aren't millionaires and probably never will be. But how did they go from $400 net worth (essentially) to owning a new house, new cars, and not being in debt? Baby steps. Simple as that really.

They knew what they wanted and did what they could to get there.

Karol





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Family Re: I can speak from experience...
 

Karol, congratulations - glad to see your family doing well!

When you have a family whose well-being (even life and death) depends on you, nothing is going to stop you from doing everything you can to give them your best. I'm sure your parents felt that in their hearts when they migrated ...

Best wishes,
Alexander Teo
Marketing Architect




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Burnt their boats
 

and (often if not usually) can't go back?

So they have to succeed?

That close, Michael?

Philip Langley

Succeed or die?
 

> and (often if not usually) can't go back?

> So they have to succeed?

> That close, Michael?

Kinda close.

Remember, not all migrants moved frm place to place during (or after) the war. Not all come from poor countries.

Here's what you often see...

Migrant arrives in new country. Migrant succeeds. Children of migrants - specially ones born in new country - often end up like every other natural born citizen.

Karol's post has some good clues.

Michael Ross

You mentioned it without realizing it...
 

Karol:

Without realizing it, you have mentioned (more than once) what "it" is.

I know you don't realize it because you brushed by it so quickly and concentrated on the baby-steps thing.

The nature of being a migrant means they have the advantage. It is inherent to migrants. They have no choice. The advantage is thrust upon them whether they like it or not.

To see it you have to put yourself in the shoes of a migrant. What do they have and what don't they have, compared to a natural born citizen?

Think... if you were going to move to and live in another country... what is stopping you from doing that? What would you arrive with or without - and we're not just talking material possessions.

Michael Ross

Obligation is the key isn't it? (DNO)
 

Do I Have To Spell Everything Out? They Have NOTHING..
 

They Have NOTHING... And Have To Buld Everyhting

1. no cash
2. no clothes
3. no furniture
4. no home
5. no savings (hence, - no 'security')
6. no car
7. no insurance
6. no medical insurance
7. no language
8. no credit history (status)
9. no employment history (status)
10. no rental history (status)
11. no driver's license (and record)
12. NO EXPERIENCE of working-for-a-living in the new country (perhaps this should count as #1)

Everything of the above has to be BUILT one-day-one-step-$20-at-a-time.

They literally build their lives anew - only this time making choices by THEMSELVES.

And this 'I-Have-Nothing' CHALLENGE can be repeated by anyone....

BTW, the close mindset is observed among people that went through bankruptcy... and/or prison...

Simon

Yes, and, No
 

Steve:

Good to see you back.

It's not what I'm looking for. :o)

Michael Ross

All true. But there is one other thing...
 

Simon:

Everything you say is true. There is no denying that.

However, there is one other thing you did not mention. It is that one other thing I am looking for.

Yes. It is frustrating. I am hinting at something. Hotter. Colder. Karol mentions it without realizing it.

Okay... here is another clue (of sorts)...

The advantage is not something they have per se, it is something they do not have. By not having this something, they have an advantage.

Just about every other person in the country has it, but migrants do not. The nature of being a migrant means they do not have it. And for many of the reasons you mentioned.

(By the time this is revealed everyone is going to go.... "gawd, is that it" and I'll say "yes" and then run away before you throw things at me.)

Michael Ross

I bet Mr. Maslow would say ...
 

survival.

If my memory is correct, physical survival is the #1 hierarchy of human needs.

Do I win the steak knifes, Michael?

Robert Campbell


Major breakthrough in predicting real estate trends.

Could it be...
 

Expectations? They see nothing but opportunities to get ahead so they take action and do while others see nothing but obstacles. The law of attraction...what you focus on most is what you tend to get.

Thanks for forcing me to think Michael. That's what I love about SOW!

If you just came right out and told everyone it would go in one ear and out the other. By making us think, we will get more out of the thing you're looking for.

Steve Ski

Re: Could it be...
 

Steve,

I agree with you. Its like a child who believes in dreams and make believe. They believe without a doubt that dreams do come true because they have not had their minds closed by adult thinking.

Migrants give up everything they have: friends, relatives, familiar surroundings and knowledge of how their part of the world works.... for..

A better life. "The land of opportunity".

Why?

Because they don't know they can't.

Rick Hunter

> Expectations? They see nothing but
> opportunities to get ahead so they take
> action and do while others see nothing but
> obstacles. The law of attraction...what you
> focus on most is what you tend to get.

> Thanks for forcing me to think Michael.
> That's what I love about SOW!

> If you just came right out and told everyone
> it would go in one ear and out the other. By
> making us think, we will get more out of the
> thing you're looking for.

> Steve Ski




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Re: All true. But there is one other thing...
 

Migrants don't have a family heritage/birthright to fall back on and help them succeed so they have to do everything themselves if they are to succeed.




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hmmm....
 

> To see it you have to put yourself in the
> shoes of a migrant. What do they have and
> what don't they have, compared to a natural
> born citizen?

Those shoes are already technically on my feet. :)

Each situation is different and there's no right or wrong answer. I know you're looking for a specific answer there just isn't one.

Maybe I'm just missing the whole point. That could very well be the case.

I'm interesting in hearing the "correct" answer none-the-less.

Don't keep us in suspense!

Karol

They NEVER worked in this country, they NEVER lived in this country.
 

They NEVER worked in this country, they NEVER lived in this country.
That's a fact, this is what you call 'inherent' in being an immigrant.

Now, summing up some 'no's (from my previous post):

7. no language
8. no credit history (status)
9. no employment history (status)
10. no rental history (status)
11. no driver's license (and record)
12. NO EXPERIENCE of working in a new country

we arrive at inevitable conclusion:
their EXPECTATIONS ('ambitions') are realistic and MINIMAL.

Minimum attention, minimum consideration, minimum wages...entry positions...

if I move from Chicago to New-York and rent an apartment I (realistically) expect MINIMUM attention from my new neighbors.

If I am new to this board I realistically expect MINIMUM number of readers (one!)...

Same thing...
-----------------
Your 'withholding' is not frustrating. It's only natural that you want YOUR answer.

Another good point...
 

> Expectations? They see nothing but
> opportunities to get ahead so they take
> action and do while others see nothing but
> obstacles. The law of attraction...what you
> focus on most is what you tend to get.

By coming to a new country they do see all the opportunities that those living there do not see. This is true.

And while that is an advantage to some degree. These same opportunities are sometimes just reveal outright to natural borns.

> Thanks for forcing me to think Michael.
> That's what I love about SOW!

> If you just came right out and told everyone
> it would go in one ear and out the other. By
> making us think, we will get more out of the
> thing you're looking for.

You'll get it... or someone will. ;o)

Michael Ross

If the shoe fits...
 

> Those shoes are already technically on my
> feet. :)

Technically, may be. However, being one year old isn't quite the same as an adult who makes the move.

So your parents really have those shoes on.

The thing is... you mentioned it on your post. It's there to be seen. It was implied and even stated outright. For those to see.

> Each situation is different and there's no
> right or wrong answer. I know you're looking
> for a specific answer there just isn't one.

I would not say there was one thing if it did not apply universally. It applies to ALL migrants. Just because you can't quite see it at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does. And whenthe answer is revealed you will see it clearly.

> Maybe I'm just missing the whole point. That
> could very well be the case.

Yep. That's it.

> I'm interesting in hearing the
> "correct" answer none-the-less.

> Don't keep us in suspense!

Sorry... we have gone this far I have to keep at it until someone "gets it."

Michael Ross

The steak knives go back to the draw
 

While physical survival is the number one human (and all animal for that matter) need... it is not an advantage. It - the need to survive - is had by all and not migrants only.

Michael Ross

Another true point...
 

> Migrants don't have a family
> heritage/birthright to fall back on and help
> them succeed so they have to do everything
> themselves if they are to succeed.

This is like Philip's remark of burning the boats... without a means of escape they are forced to make a living.

With natural borns, they have a support system to help them succeed... and yet they do not most of the time. Some do, certainly, but most do not. They just scrape by their entire life.

Logic would suggest a support system should assist you. But for natural borns it doesn't seem to help.

Michael Ross

Are we having fun yet?
 

> They NEVER worked in this country, they
> NEVER lived in this country.
> That's a fact, this is what you call
> 'inherent' in being an immigrant.

Yes. That is true. There is another something though.

The rich (migrant or not) know this and live by it. Most of the public don't know this... and if they do... don't live their life by it. In fact, they seem to do exactly the opposite. From early on in their life too. They do it because they can.

Migrants couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Not being able to do it, they are FORCED to go without. Being without gives them an advantage. Most people only get to the level migrants start at, very late in their life - if at all.

> Now, summing up some 'no's (from my previous
> post):

> 7. no language
> 8. no credit history (status)
> 9. no employment history (status)
> 10. no rental history (status)
> 11. no driver's license (and record)
> 12. NO EXPERIENCE of working in a new
> country

These conditions... these points... mean what?

They are forced to go for menial, minimum this and that.

What, besides higher paying jobs, can't they get? And why is that lack an advantage over everyone else?

Everyone wants to get ahead in life. But something keeps holding them back. That something is not present in a migrant's life.

This thread is good. A lot of good answers are being given. About the attributes a migrant has that most others do not.

There is someone who, I believe, would spot the missing element in a heart beat if he were reading. So he must be having a week off or be on the road. But that is neither here nor there.

To hint again... it was revealed in Karol's original post. It is in there, for those with eyes to see. He even mentions it outright - without realizing it, of course.

Michael Ross

Re: Migrant Success Secrets
 

Not sure if this is always true, but I would think that migrants have no expectation that someone would support them, would bale them out if things got tough. They have total self-reliance.

Someone said it on a tape I once heard called "Ten reasons why most people fail financially". One of them was

"a crippling sense of entitlement"

(or at least that's what I THINK it was - something like that anyway!)

Philip

Re: If the shoe fits...
 

Hello: I think the key phrase is here:
"He took a minimum wage factory job in the US because it's all he could get."...In other words he "settled" for what he could get and made the most of it...Just this old man's take...

Rooster
www.rockerwisdom.com

Technically, may be. However, being one year
> old isn't quite the same as an adult who
> makes the move.

> So your parents really have those shoes on.

> The thing is... you mentioned it on your
> post. It's there to be seen. It was implied
> and even stated outright. For those to see.

> I would not say there was one thing if it
> did not apply universally. It applies to ALL
> migrants. Just because you can't quite see
> it at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't
> exist. It does. And whenthe answer is
> revealed you will see it clearly.

> Yep. That's it.

> Sorry... we have gone this far I have to
> keep at it until someone "gets
> it."

> Michael Ross




"Don’t get ripped off!"...

Immigrations laws prevent welfare cases
 

> Not sure if this is always true, but I would
> think that migrants have no expectation that
> someone would support them, would bale them
> out if things got tough. They have total
> self-reliance.

Can't say what Australia's immigration laws are because I have never bothered looking at them - after all, I live here. But both the US and the UK have rules that, if enforced, prevent any social welfare cases. That is... prevent someone just lobbing up on the doorstep and going on welfare.

There are also age restrictions on work permits with vacations. They figure above a certain age and you aren't on vacation, you are looking to settle. So they won't give you a vacation work permit.

> Someone said it on a tape I once heard
> called "Ten reasons why most people
> fail financially". One of them was

> "a crippling sense of entitlement"

True. Do you recall anything else that might have applied to why an immigrant would succeed and a natural born not?

Michael Ross

Settling... in more ways than one
 

> Hello: I think the key phrase is here:
> "He took a minimum wage factory job in
> the US because it's all he could
> get."...In other words he
> "settled" for what he could get
> and made the most of it...

They arrive in a new country to settle and settle for any job - boom boom. :o)

While often true, there are many other people who do whatever work they can get. Maybe they don't have a piece of paper for something better (whatever "better" means). Maybe they just like doing that kind of work - hands on people as opposed to brains on people. Maybe they prefer jobs without much responsibility. But they still don't have the advantage the migrant has.

I like your approach though. You are at least paying attention to what I wrote... that Karol mentioned it in his post without realizing it. It is stated clearly in his post.

If everyone just concentrated on Karol's post someone would surely get it.

Michael Ross

Okay - is it....
 

..."There's no rush to be successful" ?

That's the only thing in Karol's response that hasn't been beaten to death so far.

Just give us the answer d*mmit }:(

"}:(" is "Aussie" for "getting annoyed at this string" (no I'm not from Australia - but figured I'd speak to Michael in his native tongue - haaaaarhahahah!!!)

-Anon

p.s.- the above was a joke Michael - so don't go firing a poison pen "get it?" type post ;-)

The real advantage?
 

> Do you recall anything else that might have applied to why an immigrant would succeed and a natural born not?

Is it the fact that the immigrant is willing to pay the price of success...to do whatever it takes...while the natural born thinks that certain actions are beneath them so they wait for conditions to be right while the immigrant is willing to do whatever he has to get what he or she wants?

Steve Ski

Re: Migrant Success Secrets
 

Michael,

"they knew what they wanted and did what they could to get there."

Pete Godfrey

> There seems to be an imbalance to success
> when migrants are added to the numbers.

> From the outside, migrants appear to have a
> higher proportion of successful people from
> their numbers than people born within the
> country.

> And this out-of-whack ratio applies to all
> western countries - migrants succeed in
> Australia more than Australians, migrants
> succeed in the US more than people born in
> the US, migrants succeed in the UK more than
> people born there.

> We can, in an initial and dismissive way,
> attribute this to some kind of work ethic -
> they work harder.

> And while that may be the case, that would
> be an observed result of something else.

> In other words... they tend to do jobs other
> people don't want to do. They tend to do
> menial tasks. "Idiot work." Often,
> it is thought, they do these jobs because
> they don't have the formal qualifications to
> do anything better (but what does
> "better" mean?).

> And while that may be true, there are many
> natural born citizens who also work those
> jobs and who do not succeed.

> Without formal qualifications many start
> their own little businesses. But again, if
> starting a business was all that mattered
> than plenty of natural born citizens would
> also go on to the success migrants do. But
> it doesn't happen.

> As a group, more successes come from
> migrants than from other groups.

> Why is it so?

> There is one thing all migrants have in
> common that gives them an advantage over
> natural born citizens. It is something all
> natural born citizens can also have, if they
> want to.

> Before I reveal it I want to hear what
> others think it is...

> So why do migrants tend to succeed more so
> than natural born citizens?

> Michael Ross

Nope
 

> ..."There's no rush to be
> successful" ?

Nope.

> That's the only thing in Karol's response
> that hasn't been beaten to death so far.

Not quite.

> Just give us the answer d*mmit }:(

I'll give you another clue...

They have this advantage by the nature of being a migrant. Whether they like it or not. Thus, it is not a skill or any other mystical Napolean-Hill-Anthony-Robbins-Mumbo-Jumbo.

Michael Ross

AHHHH!!!! (Frustrated scream) (DNO)
 

Oo Oo.. nah...
 

> Is it the fact that the immigrant is willing
> to pay the price of success...to do whatever
> it takes...while the natural born thinks
> that certain actions are beneath them so
> they wait for conditions to be right while
> the immigrant is willing to do whatever he
> has to get what he or she wants?

Okay... try this...

They arrive in the country and take a minimum wage job. And they are able to survive on that minimum wage job.

WHY are they able to survive on the minimum wage job?

"They are able to survive on a minimum wage job because they... (insert thing here)"

Michael Ross

Taking control
 

> "they knew what they wanted and did
> what they could to get there."

This is also true. How is that an advantage though?

It's an advantage they have the moment they arrive in the new country.

Michael Ross