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The trend in alternative medicine
Alternative medicine seems to have moved into the mainstream. Apparently 70% of Americans have tried some form of alternative therapy.
It could be a good opportunity to get into, if you have have some useful knowledge of this area.... If it works, you'll be helping some people find relief and regain health. Which types of alternative therapy are the most popular? See the article from American Demographics magazine (linked to below) for more.... - Dien Rice Alternative medicine moves into the mainstream.... |
One of the *hottest* nutrients right now...
Dien,
This is not a sales pitch...just sharing something that has made a difference in my life. I have been interested in nutrition since I was 20. I know how the nutritional industy has used lots of hype to sell many items, but there ARE a few nutrients that give one a reason to legitimately get excited about. There is one nutrient that is going to change many lives when the news about it's effectiveness becomes better known. Olive Leaf Extract (OLE) OLE is just now becoming known about in America and has been dramatically changing lives for the better for many who have not been treated successfully in the mainstream medical community for afflictions such as HIV positive patients... and for those who have only felt half-alive while struggling to make it through the day with CFIDS (chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome) or for victims of fibromyalgia (which has become a 'catch all' term for people with multiple symptoms that range from chronic muscle aches to sleep disorders) PLUS retroviruses and several other illnesses that have no known successful cures to date. Better mention...I am NOT selling this stuff so this isn't a 'pitch' or anything. But, I was diagnosed with CFIDS back in the 80's and have had renewed struggles with it when my life has been especially stressed. So, when a friend with Lupus excitedly told me about how this seemingly miraculous stuff had helped her, I decided to give it a try. At this point, in only 3 weeks, it has given me a sense of wellbeing that I haven't enjoyed in some time now. That is in spite of my routinely taking numerous other supplements that help...but that's all. They just help. Olive Leaf Extract gives new hope to many who want to uplevel their sense of wellbeing and it has the ability to fight the new SUPER-BUGS for which no known antibiotic can touch. Now, that really turned my head. So, since you opened this subject, thought I'd contribute this information perchance that it may help another person visiting this board or someone they know. One of the books I read on Olive Leaf Extract by Morton Walker can be found at amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1575662264/o/qid=982253730/sr=2-1/107-3561232-8620518 Anyone interested can also read the reviews left by some excited readers to get an idea how life changing this nutrient may be to many who are yet to hear of it. I am also linking to East Park Research which has patented a process for extraction that is supposedly superior to others. This site also gives a detailed list of diseases/disorders that Olive Leaf Extract (OLE) has been known to help or even reverse. Absolutely amazing. I think this is one of the most valuable nutrients on the market today, but that is just my opinion. Again, I AM aware of all the hype in the industry, but I think this is worthy of mentioning since it is totally in a league of it's own. If you or someone you know is plagued by chronic viruses, infections, allergies, or is HIV positive, etc. - the natural antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal, antiparasitic action of this nutrient may make a BIG difference in your life. Because... OLE has the ability to get inside of the cells and kill stubborn viruses which makes it extremely unique and effective. Hope this helps someone. Again, I have no financial interest in this product, but just have a desire to share what I've learned after doing my own research and noticing the difference it is already making in my own health. And, interestingly enough, it is the chronic use of antibiotics which has led to many health problems that are difficult if not impossible to treat...until the effectiveness of OLE became better known throughout the world. But still, it is mostly unknown to most people at this point in time. Who knows...you may cross someone's path who needs this and you can at least point them to a book which has well documented information about OLE. ~ Amber One place to obtain Olive Leaf Extract mentioned in Dr. Walker's book |
Re: The trend in alternative medicine
Dien, my own take on this statistic (and I know some of the tricks which are played with them. I worked around stats people for years) is that dis-satisfaction with the service from the medical establishment is DRIVING people to try just about anything else!
>Apparently 70% of Americans have tried some form of alternative therapy. It could be a good opportunity to get into, if you have have some useful knowledge of this area.... If it works, you'll be helping some people find relief and regain health. The caveat is "if it works". I keep away from this area because what works short-term might turn out to be damn dangerous over a longer period, what works for one person can be devastating for someone with apparently similar problems. > Which types of alternative therapy are the most popular? I don't think that is a major consideration when people's health is concerned. I am not against all alternative therapies, theories and products; I used Guarana (there are significant differences between products from different Companies which are supposed to be the same there), take a vitamin supplement which appears to have some benefit for me and so on. But I would not advocate or sell these sort of products without knowing their track record and having printed confirmation of it from fully independent credible sources. Please don't use this outside the forum. I know a person who is having great success hypnotising people to remove cravings (my words) for cigarettes etc. This person was taught about hypnotism by someone who firmly beleived that hypnotism was a complete fake! So the "cures" happen but the method is decried by the therapist's teacher! I must add that the therapist & the teacher are both very honorable. If the therapist wasn't, he could probably set up his own religion or something. No offense intended to people who sell these products, or set up up their own religions even, in a responsible manner. Reduce Stress with Laughter workshops |
Workplace Chair Massage Services...
Dien,
Massage isn't alternative 'medicine', yet massage is the oldest form of physical therapy so maybe this post fits the subject ok. Many chiropractors typically employ massage therapists to help relax the neck and back muscles which makes an adjustment last longer. So the benefit of massage therapists is recognized among these alternative medical healers. But, now even corporations are realizing the benefit of having massage therapists on their premises. Offering massage therapy services to corporations could be a good business to get into even if you aren't a trained and state registered massage therapist. You simply market the services of massage therapists that you sub-contract to actually go out and do the on site therapy for your corporate clients that you go into negotiated 'service' contracts with. Medium size businesses are thought to be the best market to target. Your job as the owner of the 'service' is to educate the corporate decision maker on the benefits and sell them on the concept for chair massage for their employees and then to get a signature on the contract for the services. Massage helps productivity, morale, workplace related pain issues... and to reduce stress associated with the workplace. Below is an article link that explains how one person successfully entered this alternative health service business. But again, one doesn't have to be a therapist in order to have a business that sells the services of therapists. Through a professional journal I have subscribed to, I have read about people all over who are making nice sums of money by setting up these kind of corporate massage therapy services by using sub-contracted therapists. Another website that is actually selling massage therapy services to business is : http://www.minutemassage.net Link at bottom of this post gives basic information on how to structure the charges to the corporations and an idea of what to pay your sub-contractor massage therapists. Your profits - determined by how many therapists you have working for you - could be considerable. The interest is growing for chair massage since a good therapist can relieve neck and shoulder pain in a very short session and the employee is only away from their desk for 5 or 10 minutes usually. Just something to think about... ~Amber Information on Starting a Workplace Massage Therapy Service |
Re: The trend in alternative medicine
Hi John,
> Dien, my own take on this statistic (and I > know some of the tricks which are played > with them. I worked around stats people for > years) is that dis-satisfaction with the > service from the medical establishment is > DRIVING people to try just about anything > else! Yes, I agree! It's also true that (unfortunately) standard medicine doesn't yet have all the answers.... One reason why I take certain alternative therapies seriously, is that often these "alternative" therapies become (over time) accepted by the medical establishment. One example I've come across is milk thistle, which is a herb which was traditionally used to help with liver problems. This folk medicine is now used in medicine for patients with liver cirrhosis, under a name such as silymarin, which is extracted from milk thistle.... So, milk thistle is an example of a folk herbal medicine, whose extract (silymarin) is now regularly used in medicine.... However, it's always best to be a bit cautious, and if you have health problems, to consult a health professional first to be safe.... > The caveat is "if it works". I > keep away from this area because what works > short-term might turn out to be damn > dangerous over a longer period, what works > for one person can be devastating for > someone with apparently similar problems. Yes, it's best to have some caution.... If you have a serious medical condition, it's good to first consult with your doctor.... > I don't think that is a major consideration > when people's health is concerned. > I am not against all alternative therapies, > theories and products; I used Guarana (there > are significant differences between products > from different Companies which are supposed > to be the same there), take a vitamin > supplement which appears to have some > benefit for me and so on. Yes, I'm the same.... I'm currently taking a chromium supplement and I take beta carotene (vitamin A) and vitamin E daily (the last two seem to help reduce my asthma).... > But I would not advocate or sell these sort > of products without knowing their track > record and having printed confirmation of it > from fully independent credible sources. I understand what you're saying.... I think it would depend on what it is.... The danger I think is pushing something which could be harmful to some people, without warning them or without having adequate expertise.... However, I think some things wouldn't harm people (like massage, as Amber mentioned). And I think it's okay to make things available to people, as long as you also warn people to check with their doctor etc. if they have a serious medical condition, before using it.... Some things I'm personally a little bit doubtful about, but some people like them, and I don't really see the harm in it.... For example, a friend of mine learned how to practice Reiki, which is some sort of "laying on of hands" technique. He doesn't charge to do it (he doesn't feel comfortable with charging for it), though there are others who do.... I've never used it, but if some want to use it I don't see why not.... He sincerely believes in what he does.... > Please don't use this outside the forum. I > know a person who is having great success > hypnotising people to remove cravings (my > words) for cigarettes etc. > This person was taught about hypnotism by > someone who firmly beleived that hypnotism > was a complete fake! > So the "cures" happen but the > method is decried by the therapist's > teacher! Heheh.... That's an unusual story! I've looked into hypnosis since I was a kid (one of my first books was by Melvin Powers, who - I didn't realize then - is also a highly successful mail order marketer!). I personally do believe that it seems to work, at least for some people, though I've never done it or had it done to me.... I thought it was pretty much accepted by the medical establishment now? > I must add that the therapist & the > teacher are both very honorable. If the > therapist wasn't, he could probably set up > his own religion or something. > No offense intended to people who sell these > products, or set up up their own religions > even, in a responsible manner. Thanks John, that was a good warning.... It's good to be cautious! And to be ethical too.... - Dien |
Re: One of the *hottest* nutrients right now...
Thanks Amber!
This kind of information is always valuable, otherwise how would we learn about something new? :) Like you, I've had a long interest in alternative therapies.... I think with me, it started when I had to study hard before the exam period as a university student! I read a book about how certain vitamins could help the brain function better, so I purchased some of these vitamins from a local "health food" store, and I thought they probably helped! :) Then, about six years ago (I was still doing my Ph.D.), I shared an apartment with a guy who had a HUGE collection of books about alternative therapies.... Almost anything you could think of, he had it there. So I was first exposed to things like traditional chinese herbs, tai chi (which many people feel helps their well-being), and even some kind of therapy where you drink your own urine (he even had a book on that!) I didn't try the last one out myself! My thoughts on the last one are, your body is getting rid of the urine for a reason.... But I'm all for research. :) Thanks Amber for mentioning Olive Leaf Extract.... I'm sure many will find it useful! It *does* happen (in fact, it's not all that uncommon) that medicine does take from "traditional" therapies.... though you often don't know it, since they just take the extracts, which is often quite a different name from the original herb. (Such as silymarin, which comes from milk thistle, which I mentioned in the reply to John Williams....) Thanks Amber! If you have a serious medical condition, of course you should first consult with your doctor, however this is a great post about something we wouldn't know about before.... :) - Dien |
Re: The trend in alternative medicine
> Hi John, Yes, I agree!
> It's also true that (unfortunately) standard > medicine doesn't yet have all the answers.... So consulting your Doctor especially about fairly new theories and products is likely to be not enough of a precaution. > One reason why I take certain alternative > therapies seriously, is that often these > "alternative" therapies become (over time) accepted by the medical establishment. I could sell you a crystal ball if you want to try to find out which ones before you take them ;) The percentage is very, very low - the press make much of them naturally but I don't see this as a significant criteria. > One example ... milk thistle is an example of a folk herbal > medicine, whose extract (silymarin) is now regularly used in medicine.... > However, it's always best to be a bit cautious, and doubly cautious when trying to sell something which will have an unforseeable effect on the buyer's health and longevity. > I understand what you're saying.... I think it would depend on what it is.... > The danger I think is pushing something > which could be harmful to some people, without warning them or without having adequate expertise.... How many people even in this Forum, would consider that they have sufficient expertise to ethically and safely promote health products. Aspirin is very beneficial to many people but it can be dangerous to others! Yet many people blithely swallow them on almost a daily basis. > However, I think some things wouldn't harm people (like massage, as Amber mentioned). And I think it's okay to make things available to people, as long as you also warn people to check with their doctor etc. if they have a serious medical condition, before using it.... They may not develop the "serious medical condition" until after taking the product you sell them. Can you then prove that your product is blameless? > Some things I'm personally a little bit > doubtful about, but some people like them, For example, Reiki He sincerely believes in what he does.... Reiki people here are in 2 camps and seem to be at each others' throats. Don't see that outcome is in line with their basic philosophy. > I've looked into hypnosis since I was a kid (one of my first books was by Melvin Powers, who is also a highly successful mail order marketer! I personally do believe that it seems to work, at least for some people, though I've never done it or had it done to me.... I thought it was pretty much accepted by the medical establishment now? It is illwgal for anyone not an M.D. to use it in most Australian states. I hear of ethical and unethical users from time to time. > Thanks John, that was a good warning.... > It's good to be cautious! And to be ethical > too.... But it can be lonely and unprofitable ;) more magic than you can shake a wand at! |
Re: One of the *hottest* nutrients right now...
> Thanks Amber!
> This kind of information is always valuable, > otherwise how would we learn about something > new? :) I just remembered that Rosemary Stanton covers some of this stuff in one (or more) of her books. A cynical friend who did some checking up because he had some serious health problems and had to be careful what he even tried, let alone took regularly, said that he beleived she was one of the few reliable sources of information he had found. Sorry, but I don't have the title handy and my friend died recently, probably due to surgeon's mis-diagnosis. Come to the Magic Shop & learn to be an honest crook! |
My experiences with alternative and conventional medicine
This subject hits very close to home for me. I am one of those that seems to be allergic to the 21st century and our modern way of live. There are so many conditions that bother people today that never existed years ago. I have also lost 2 grandparents to cancer and my ex-wife had colon cancer 12 yrs. ago. We feel she is alive today because she did NOT go through the chemo and radiation therapies. The doctors tried to scare her, were arrogant...made her cry by telling her she should think about our son! But if the chemo would have destroyed her kidneys or liver (like it did my grandfather) they would have said "those are the risks...we did did all we could". I say BULL****!
I could fill a book (or maybe a website) with all my family has experienced but I will try to keep this short. People are flocking to alternative medicine because conventional medicine has failed them or in the case of things like chemotherapy, the treatment can be worse than the disease. Over the years, I have tried lots of things to improve my health. I made mistakes, some gains...but learned a great deal. The biggest thing I have learned is the simple things work best. No supplement I ever took made me feel better than when I started drinking lots of high quality water...yep, good ole H2O. I discovered why afer reading a great book called "Your Body's Many Cries For Water". No healing regimen ever helped me more than juice fasting...letting my body rest, heal and clean itself out. Read the testimonies at the Fasting Center International website. I never gained understanding into my own conditions until I was reading about what chinese medicine calls "liver fire" and the light bulb went off. Conventional doctors had no answers for me. I started eating better food....growing some of my own organically. Supplements CANNOT replace diet. Last but not least, I learned about the mind/body comnnection. Alternative medicine is under attack. Just look at the Quackwatch site. It always has been. Inform but MAKE NO CLAIMS. One area getting hit hard right now is electronic medicine...using electronic devices to disable microbes such as HIV. I read The Body Electric years ago and have been fascinated by this ever since. I began to understand how chinese medicine worked by restoring our bodies electrical pathways. The quality of water in our bodies is SO vitally important to this. People getting involved in this area REALLY need to educate themselves, ask questions, try the products. They need to be prepared to educate their customers. I think one growth area will definitely be products involving the best free radical scavenger there is...hydrogen...which our bodies get from the water we drink or products like Microhydrin. Water quality products like trace minerals and purifiers can be good too...IF the products themselves are good. There are quacks in both alternative AND conventional medicine. The doctor who owns the quackwatch site promotes fluoridation which is the largest fraud ever shoved down millions of throats. It's toxic and carcinogenic effects are very well documented. I worked in the water/wastewater field for 11 yrs. Our fluoride was NOT naturally occuring calcium fluoride but sodium fluorosilicate that comes from fertilizer plants! Take anything you read on either side with a grain of salt...then find out all you can. It can be a rewarding experience....or a very bad one. sorry for rambling, Mark S |
Look Out!
Hi Amber!
I read your post and checked out the site you linked to. ALARM BELLS SOUNDED! Before I tell you why, first let me say, I am a great advocate of "alternative" treatments. That doesn't mean I will rush out and buy into the lastest thing. I don't. I do, however, weigh up the available information and THINK about it. Without having tried this OLE, let me tell you why alarm bells went off in my head... The first alarm bells went off when I read this: "We Invented It We Patented It" on the front of their website. They have a patent?!?!?!?!? It's funny how any treatment that cannot be patented is looked down upon by the medical profession and the pharmaceutical companies. I wonder why? (insert sarcasm here). I'll come back to this thing about patents in a bit. The next alarm bells sounded when I read, "It has been used by over 4,000 doctors, 10 major hospitals, and 15 countries." I notice is says HAS BEEN and NOT IS. There's a huge difference. Also, in what capacity was it used? As an actual treatment? As a toilet cleaner? I can pick any toilet cleaning chemical used in a hospital and then tell people to drink it with the assurance it's used in x number of hositals. See my point? Also, are these Doctors who HAD used it medical doctors or non-medical PhDs? Or NDs? The hospitals... are they government funded hospitals? Private hospitals? Or private "cliniques" using the term Hospital? WHO are these institutions who HAD used it so I may verify this for myself? The next alarm bell went off when I read this, "...licensed exclusively by..." As with the patent I'll come back to this. The next alarm bell sounded when I read this, "Olive Leaf Extract's Effectiveness Against Certain Pathogens Invitro" What has being effective against things in a test-tube got to do with being effective against things in the body. Heck, I could drop of few bugs in 18 molar hydrochloric acid and they'd all die. But that's no reason for me to drink 18 molar hydrochloric acid. Okay, so my example is over the top. But it uses the same logic as they do. And that's no proof of anything. The next alarm bell sounded when I saw they claim an effectiveness against HIV/AIDS. First, AIDS is NOT a bug, pathogen, virus or any other thing. It's a condition. HIV is a virus. However, the detection of it within the body is only achieved AFTER the body is immune to it. To say that something we are immune to can create a degenerative condition is idiotic. And further more, not all sufferers of AIDS test positive for HIV. Which means, they get AIDS from some other source. Add to this that the HIV/AIDS connection was made on dubious grounds by someone who has a stake in AZT, the only recommened chemical treatment for AIDS, and I question the connection. It's interesting to note, that like this OLE, AZT is also "licensed" and "patented". A company that claims to want to help people get better has questionable ethics when they do everything in their power to exclusively own the treatment. Be the first and be the best instead of trying to prevent others. That is a true sign of your claim to want to help mankind. To read more about the questionable relation between HIV/AIDS visit Dr Peter Deusberg's site at http://www.duesberg.com/ The next alarm bell sounded when I read their claims about symptoms. Let me tell you what REALLY happens when you "get sick." The virus/bacteria enters your body. For the sake of the example, lets assume this is a throat infection. The Invader lodges into the mucus lining your throat and goes about multiplying in the underlying cells. This IS detected by your body by what I'll call Hunter-Killers. These Hunter-Killers constantly roam throughout our body looking out for Invaders. Upon discovering these Invaders they use a shotgun approach and "blast" the entire area in the hopes they get it. And they continue blasting until the Snipers turn up later. The debris caused by all this blasting has to be cleaned up. Lets call the things that do this, the Cleaners. As the Cleaners are being overwhelmed by the amount of debris they call for back up. They call for back up by releasing a chemical. This chemical makes us feel nauseous and gives us aches. This chemical makes us feel sick!!! At this point in time, our throat is feeling sore. Not because of the bug, but because the Hunter-Killers have damaged it greatly. While this is going on a call is taken to the Sniper Room (the lymphatic system). Bits of the bug are brought and a Memo is circulated to all T-cells asking if they recognise the Invader. While this "memo" is circulating looking for the T-cell who recognises and knows how to kill the invader, the Hunter-Killers keep blasting and making our throat more sore, the Cleaners keep clearing debris and calling for back which makes us feel more ill. Once the Sniper who knows how to kill this Invader is found he is ushered into the Cloning Room (Lymph Gland). Once inside the Cloning Room our body temperature rises. This does two things. One, it helps slow down the multiplying rate of the Invader and increases our metabolism so Cloning happens faster. (Rising temperature can happen before cloning) After a sufficient number of Snipers have been cloned (the lymph glands are quite swollen now) they are released to "deal" with the Invader. As they are Snipers they take out the Invader specifically using a rifle approach and they do it double quick time. If you have a sore and raspy throat, it's not because your body's immune system isn't working, it's because it is! If you seem to have it for a while it's beause it's taking a while for the Memo to be found by the Specialist Sniper. If you ache and feel nauseous, it's your body's doing NOT the Invader's. The Invader would like nothing more than to remain undetected for they know that once deteced they are doomed. So they aren't going to go about doing anything to cause unwanted attention. If you have a fever, it's because your body is fighting the Invader by raising your body temperature which slows the Invaders ability to mulitply while increasing the speed at which your body multiplies the fighting mechanisms. The increased body temperature, aches and pains and nauseous feelings are all caused by our body and are a sign our body's immune system is functioning quite well thank you very much. Doctors don't want you to know this. Otherwise you wouldn't come to them when your throat is sore. But now you know your throat is sore because your body is fighting something and doing it well, not because something is there overwhelming your body. So, what these manufactures accuse Doctors of, they are even more guilty of... or they don't know. And if they don't know, I question any health information they provide. Individually, these things don't mean a whole lot, but when taken together they do...
You can therefore make your own Olive Leaf Extract by simple making a tea from olive leaves. However, a feeling of "wellness" could also be something to be wary of. Remember, if I feel sick it's because my body is making me sick on purpose. By masking this feeling who knows what I'm doing. I could be interfering with my body's fighting mechanism and giving the Invader what it longs for... peace and quiet to go about its way. By examination of my own illnesses over time, and those of my wife, and with correspondence with others... I have discovered a large part of the problem is a result of our modern environment. For instance... lino and carpet give off fumes and carpet also gives off fibres. If you have a breathing problem of any kind it could be caused by your body's inability to cope with the fumes and fibres from lino/carpet. You may even be unable to handle the fumes coming from the foam in your sofa, or pillow, or mattress. Does the windscreen of your car get foggy even when it's not raining? That's the residue of the fumes coming off of your dashboard. Every time you get in your car you breath them in. Your laminate and 'craftwood' kitchen gives of fumes. As with a lot of things, our body can handle small doses. But they have a compounding effect. Lead free fuel is well known to contain cancer causing agents and there's even some evidence to suggest that CFS is related to unleaded fuel, its fumes and exhaust. If your skin breaks out because of something you've eaten - a "rash" developes. It's a sign your liver cannot filter that substance fast enough. To prevent it from circulating throughout your body, it is stored out of harms way in the skin. So a skin reaction means two things... 1; your liver cannot filter the substance fast enough for some reason... 2; your body is working correctly by keeping the substance out of the blood while the liver gradually gets rid of it. The active ingredient in a lot of arthritis relief creams is the same thing that gives a Hot Pepper its heat. Take some Cayeen Powder, make a paste with some vegetable oil and you have your own version of the cream. Cayenne has many other wonderful properties. You could almost call it Nature's Snake Oil. Do your own research and see for yourself. I use/consume it daily. You want to increase your immune system's ability to fight things off? Then remove the items in your life that constantly weaken it or have it always on the go - such as the fumey items I mentioned and others you find. As for bacteria which is resistant to modern anti-biotics... Research "Colloidal Silver" for a non-patentable OLD method. Discover the hidden Russian secret of killing resistant bacteria with Phage - naturally-occuring bacterior-specific viri that change as the bacteria changes. Anyway. That's my take on it. And Amber, I'm curious about your CFIDS. I did a bit of reading about it at the CFIDS Association of America at http://www.cfids.org/ What I am curious about is... do you recall when you first began to suffer the symptoms? If so, can you also recall ANY change in your environment? Did you get new furniture around that time? Glue down tiles in a new kitchen? Start driving a car which runs on unleade fuel? Move to a location which could see you exposed to unleaded fuel fumes/exhaust? Move to a location near high-power power lines? Move to a location near a farm which regularly "sprays"? Build an add-on carport or garage in a location that could mean fumes/exhaust from the coming and going of your car would enter your house? Lay down new carpet or lino? If you can identify any of the above with the beginning of your CFIDS, can you now match up your "attacks" with other exposures to the same thing? Like, maybe you got an attack after visiting a friend who had recently got new furniture, or something like that. I'm curious because the symptoms of CFIDS indicate to me an overall overwhelming of the body. And that can only happen by constant exposure to something your body cannot handle very well. If you cannot immediately identify a connection, have you ever kept an "Attack diary"? A diary which keeps track of the things (chemicals/fumes/etc.) you're exposed to and cross-references those exposures with times of attack. I'd rather discover the sofa I keep getting recovered every twelve months is making me sick and get rid of it, then not know and mask the symptoms with a suppliment. Anyway Amber. I'm really curious if you can match a change in your enviroment with your CFIDS. I'm curious because I believe that's where the cause and your solution is. And it'd be a real shame to suffer needlessly when the answer could be so simple. Wouldn't it be incredible if all you had to do was change the brand of washing powder you use? (washing powder leaves residue on the clothes which gets onto and absorbs through your skin) Of course, I understand if you'd rather not disclose details of your CFIDS. From thorough analysis of my environment I've been able to find a direct connection between breathing problems I had and later foot problems, with lino! And that's just one example. By the way, I am NOT a licensed medical practitioner and have no formal qualifications in the field of medicine. Everything written here is my opinion based from the deductions and conclusions from my own research and experiences. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Good luck Amber. I hope you get to the bottom of it. Michael Ross. |
Re: One of the *hottest* nutrients right now...
Dien and everyone -
I'm a total alternative medicine devotee, having been misdiagnosed for liver cancer and seriously advanced strep throat by conventional medicine. I practice qiqong and tai chi daily, and my main doctors are a chiropractor/physical therapist, an accupuncturist/herbalist, and my massage therapist. I take a variety of herbs recommended in a book called "Left for Dead" by Dick Quinn, including cayenne pepper for the heart and arteries, ginger, garlic, Omega 3 and 6, and various vitamins. I exercise daily, without being excessive and watch my diet without depriving myself. I question all alleopathic medical treatments (based on getting my 83 year old mother down from about 17 medications to 7 after questioning the so-called medical doctors) and have an extensive library of medical references (including Listen to Your Pain by Ben Benjamin - a great reference for diagnosing and treating muscle strains and pains). As you can tell, I'm passionately in favor of alternative medicine. Thanks for the thread. Bob |
Re: Great post, Michael! (dno) (DNO)
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Michael, where do I start? :)
Hi Michael,
Good post! I was sitting here wondering how to nutshell a response to you...and I've never been good at that, but I'll try. :) First, it is important to know that olive leaf extract has been used as a non-toxic remedy for thousands of years. It has a very interesting history. In 1969, researchers performing molecular analyses in a well known pharmaceutical company in Michigan uncovered the main antimicrobial ingredient present in the phenolic compound Oleuropein which was isolated from the olive leaf. This antimicrobial ingredient was identified as the calcium salt of elenolic acid; chemically known as calcium elenolate. It was found by the researchers for the pharmaceutical company to inhibit the growth of EVERY virus, bacterium, fungus, yeast and protozoon that it was tested against. They wanted to introduce it to the marketplace as a patented new drug - a virucide...because there weren't any protected by patent and available for sale at that time. But, the pharmaceutical company researchers couldn't find a way to stop the calcium elenolate from binding to proteins in blood serum which rendered it ineffective. So, they made a business decision to discontinue the research and their plans to commercialize it were finished. But, another research company continued on where the pharmaceutical company left off and they developed a proprietary process which they went on to patent. On their website you can read about this and why it makes their product 'different'. But I have had good results using another brand but may give theirs a try as well and see if I notice a difference. Yes, you can think of Olive Leaf Extract as a food since you can grow your own tree and make a tea from the leaves. That works too! In the 220+ page book I referenced in my other note, it is filled with facts from research of the worlds's published medical literature on olive tree related products and from files and personal interviews, by the author, of informed health professionals who have used it to treat patients. Doctors in the U.S. and Canada are quoted and mentioned in the book. An interesting side note* The Hungarian government had adopted OLE as it's official anti-infectious disease remedy. What interests me is that it is known that because of immune system degradation among many in the western industrialized countries, we are suffering from often inexplicable afflictions brought on by certain disease producing microorganisms that have no known treatments. Many patients are left on their own to figure out how to best help themselves. Most physicians are not trained in how to help people uplevel their health or in preventive health care. They are trained to diagnose and use medicine. Period. In the case of people with weakened immune systems from cancer treatments or the use of drugs to keep from rejecting transplanted organs, or the long term usage of broad spectrum antibiotics for treating infections (this is what is impacting the lives of many who are unhealthy and trying to figure out what their problem really is)... these people are targets for all sorts of additional problems such as fungal infections. So, along with many new viruses, there is a rising tide of treatment resistant fungi. A quote from the book..."While we've become accustomed to appreciating the problems of antibacterial resistance, this level of resistance by fungi to antifungal drugs is historically unprecedented," says Thomas J. Walsh, M.D., head of the immunocompromised host division of the National Cancer Institute of Bethesda, Maryland. Unlike bacteria, fungi have chromosomes, cells with a true nucleus bounded by a nuclear membrance and exhibit mitosis. Because their cellular structure is so similar to our own, it is difficult to develop drugs that inhibit their growth WITHOUT acceptable toxicity. Synthetic antifungal drugs are just too poisonous to use. Their adverse side effects are overwhelming. So, in contrast...Olive leaf extract (OLE) is nontoxic in the recommended dosages and it has the ability to kill the invading fungus rather than merely inhibiting it's growth. Today, I went into a health food/nutrition store and had a lengthy chat with an assistant manager. She told me that she is hearing all sorts of wonderful testimonies from the people who walk in to buy OLE and then return to buy it over and over. She used gave it to her dog that was on the verge of being put to sleep from old age problems and she said he is a new dog now - with beautiful fur and his body has filled out again like a younger pup. Said he is all feisty and playful. :) Dr. Walker's book mentions so many therapeutic applications...to numerous to mention in this post. I would suggest that anyone read the book before trying OLE. The book does speak about a possible 'die off' reaction of the toxins in our bodies...so one would need to start slowly if they are really ill AND drink lots of water to help assist in the elimination of the bad stuff from your body. This is helpful information since it may frighten some who have never experienced a Herxheimer ('die off') reaction when beginning a nutritional supplement that is powerful enough to begin the necessary 'housecleaning' in your body. Michael...since you seemed so interested: My CFIDS started in 1984. I developed swollen glands and fever after our home flooded during a hurricane. Felt flu-y a lot. Then I developed a lung infection that lasted five months. I was given several rounds of powerful antibiotics which only made me worse. Finally the doctor said the strange infection would just have to 'run it's course' and threw up his hands after he had exhausted his 'guesses'. I was incredibly weak. Overheard the doctor speak to the nurse about checking me for leukemia. It was a frustrating time since I had put my faith in the medical community and they were puzzled. In the meantime, I mostly slept and barely functioned. I had been exposed to high levels of mycotoxins after the flood and during the repairs - wet sheetrock and insulation and furniture, etc. Now it is thought I probably had a serious aspergillus infection in my lungs. From breathing mycotoxins in after our flooding. Currently, the word is spreading about how dangerous it is to live in a home during repairs from water damage that causes mold problems. There have been several tv programs lately in our viewing area that are addressing this danger. Many people have become ill and there is a new clinic north of Houston that now addresses this problem and treating people coming in from all over the world. They use nutritionals! I have a friend who is going there right now after her home flooded and she became ill. It is expensive though. Very. She is still undergoing the diagnostic testing for antibodies to the dangerous mycotoxins from the fungi and molds she was exposed to. A good place to learn more about the molds that make us sick and can lead to major illnesses can be found at http://www.mrmildew.com in his glossary. During the repair of my home and with new furnishings and the installation of new carpet, I got even MORE ill. That was overloading my already weakened system. Formaldehyde, on all the new fabrics as a finishing agent, was just about my undoing! Sick house syndrome. Multiple chemical sensitivities (MCS) - Environmental Illness. I became a doctor's worst nightmare since many aren't equipped to handle these kind of patients. Since then, I have had dramatic and exaggerated reactions to common medications and ended up with some scary infections that resulted in cultures that frightened the doctor since they were considered life threatening. I went to many specialists and got the CFIDS diagnosis. Fortunately, I did find a really good M.D. about a hundred miles away. I read a book he co-authored (with this same Dr. Walker who wrote this one about OLE) on systemic fungal infections many years ago (out of print now) and located this wise doctor because of finding out about him through the book. He treats nutritionally and helped to guide me back to an improved state of health. But it is an ongoing challenge since we still live on the coast and have flooded repeatedly during tropical storms and hurricanes and even just spring-time rain downpours. I'll be so glad when we can move farther inland and I want to live high up on a hill someday! :) I won't elaborate more about my health history on this board since it's not the place...but thank you for your interest and it does sound like you have a good grasp on understanding the problems associated with CFIDS and MCS, and probably most other disorders as well. So, the bottom line is that in my weakened state and recovery from mold related illness, I was hit by multiple things that simple nutrients weren't always successfully addressing. So, learning about and trying OLE gives me renewed hope that it is one more thing I can add for my personal use... but of course I DO totally believe that everyone has to read and educate themselves until they are convinced that giving any nutrient a try is a valid use of their money. But, for people like me, I do believe it is worth a shot. It's only been three weeks and maybe it is just a coincidence that I am feeling better than usual, but if all the research that has been done on OLE is to be believed, then it doesn't seem strange to me that I am responding positively to it...so far. Whew! This wasn't a 'nut shell' response Michael. Sorry. :) Best Wishes! Amber Information about nasty molds that produce myotoxins that can make you very ill! |
Drinking lots of liquids....
Hi Mark,
> No supplement I ever took > made me feel better than when I started > drinking lots of high quality water...yep, > good ole H2O. I discovered why afer reading > a great book called "Your Body's Many > Cries For Water". I can relate to this for asthma (something I have).... I guess (as you'd expect) we tend to focus on our own conditions and those of people close to us.... In my case, I've focused on asthma (which I have), and also on Hepatitis C / liver cirrhosis / liver cancer (which someone close to me has).... I read in a book that drinking lots of water helped asthma sufferers. I tried it, and it worked for me. I had no idea my body was really thirsting for water, and I wasn't giving myself enough! > No healing regimen > ever helped me more than juice > fasting...letting my body rest, heal and > clean itself out. Read the testimonies at > the Fasting Center International website. Do you know the URL for this web site? Thanks, Dien |
The immune system....
Hi Amber,
You mentioned the immune system, so I thought I'd jump in here and mention something I read about a few months ago which (according to research) seems to boost the immune system.... It's a type of plant fats, called sterols and sterolins.... One branded version (based on the work of what seems to be the primary researcher into this) is Moducare.... They have a pretty informative web site. Unlike many other products, they actually have done a lot of medical research which has been published in the medical journals on the use of this product (see under the "Research" section to read the abstracts). (This is the main part which impresses me, actually, the details of the trials they have done.) I also read somewhere else that sesame seed oil also contains a lot of these plant sterols and sterolins.... I don't get any benefit from mentioning this.... I just mention it as a starting point for those who may be interested in looking into it further.... - Dien |
Thanks Dien Re: The immune system....
Hi Dien,
Sterolins are part of my personal 'program' too... and since you made a comment to me in an email a few months ago, I also now add sesame oil to my salads. :) Good information Dien. I don't think very many people know about sterolin yet. Thanks for mentioning this for others who may benefit by becoming enlightened, as well. ~Amber > fats, called sterols and sterolins.... |
Did you know someone's doing a double-blind (cont.)
Hi,
Did you know someone's doing a double-blind, statistically-significant experiment into the effects of prayer? I tend to be skeptical about supernatural events that are based on "belief" rather than science, so I'm interested in the results of this experiment. A less-rigorous and earlier experiment seemed to document some beneficial results from prayer. One finding seemed to show beneficial results in a person who didn't know he was being prayed for; the person who was doing the praying didn't believe prayer worked; nonetheless, beneficial results occurred. I look forward greatly to hearing about the results of the double-blind prayer experiment, though I suspect they will be similar to the results of the scientific tests of ancient religious artifacts. Best, -Boyd |
Re: Drinking lots of liquids....
Hello Dien,
Sorry for not posting the link. Here ya go... http://www.fasting.com/ It's an interesting website. regards, Mark > Hi Mark, > I can relate to this for asthma (something I > have).... I guess (as you'd expect) we tend > to focus on our own conditions and those of > people close to us.... In my case, I've > focused on asthma (which I have), and also > on Hepatitis C / liver cirrhosis / liver > cancer (which someone close to me has).... > I read in a book that drinking lots of water > helped asthma sufferers. I tried it, and it > worked for me. I had no idea my body was > really thirsting for water, and I wasn't > giving myself enough! > Do you know the URL for this web site? > Thanks, > Dien |
Bob, your valuable contribution to this thread...
Hi Bob,
The book you mentioned in your post ~ "Left For Dead" is another one of those *special* books that can be life changing if you take Dick Quinn's advice to heart. I have also used his special formulation with the African cayenne pepper. Wow! And, I was fortunate to be able to personally meet and study for a few days with Ben Benjamin when he came to Houston, some years ago now, to teach a pain seminar to MT's and physical therapists. (Ben Benjamin is the author of "Listen to Your Pain" ~ the other book that you mentioned in your post.) I am a registered massage therapist in the state of Texas and through my involvement with that profession, I have learned a lot of things that have helped me so much along the journey back to good health that I have been on. Even though I haven't been active professionally for the last several years as an MT, I still keep up my yearly registration and have taken more continuing education and try to stay current with what's going on by reading the professional journal for MT's. It is a fascinating area to work in, but quite demanding physically. :) When I was formally studying massage therapy in preparation for the certification exam and qualifying for registration, my class practiced tai chi as an elective part of our program. I got away from it, but just bought an instructional tai chi video tape by Xue Dejun to refresh my memory and plan to get back into it. For those who don't know what it is...Tai Chi involves beautiful ancient chinese movements to calm the body and mind and to energize every cell and organ. It also helps with balance and coordination. Even just watching others do it is so calming to me. Thanks Bob, for telling us what works for you. I'm glad that you also find value in massage therapy. Great! ~Amber |
Thanks Mark! (DNO)
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Re: Thanks, Amber . . .
my monthly massages help keep me healthy, flexible and sane! I tend to vary between deep tissue and shiatsu, to keep the old bod guessing:-)
And you're right, that cayenne is something, but easily adapted to over a short time. I take it seriously as my Dad dropped dead of a heart attack in his early forties (on his way home from the hospital after a physical!!!!) Bob |
Tisk Tisk.
Amber, if you were a child I'd sit you down and give you a good stern talking to. You're not, and I'm still going to. :o)
With a CFIDS attack and repeated attacks stemming back to the 80s I'd have bet anything you hadn't found the WHY. As I read about the flood, my first thought was, "you've got mold." But then I saw, you discovered this. Then the bit about the new furniture... and I thought, "Oh boy, you've just compounded the problem." And then I saw, you also discovered this. There's not much you can do about the mold, except move (do you have a basement... they're good places for mold to remain and filter up into the house through the air ducts). Did you rip up the carpet and bin the furniture? Do you now just walk around on floor-boards or bare concrete and use real wood furniture not sawdust-glued-together furniture? If not, why not? Do your children now about these things? If so, let me at em. Kids all over the place harp on to their parents about smoking... and that's based on the possibility of getting sick at some point in the future. I hope they were like, "Mom, the carpet's making you sick, lets get rid of it. We're happy to walk on concrete as long as you're well". And your husband... boy do I got a bone to pick with him. Same reasons. My God woman... you're like someone who knows the pain in their thumb is because they keep hitting it with a hammer and who figures they'll be all right as long as they take pain relief tablets. It's easier to stop hitting it with a hammer. You're living in a place you know is the cause of the problem and don't appear to be doing anyting about it. As the Terminator says, "GET OUT!" Move. I'm sure your family will understand. And if they don't... let me give em an ear-bashing. On one hand I'm mad at you - I've just told you why. And on the other hand I'm not. Because at least you know of the dangers within your "environment" and can pass this hard-gained knowledge on to your kids. And they can pass it on to their kids and so on. Okay. I've had my say. On a mold-related side note... You do know there's also mold in certain food, I assume. I've heard one thing you can take to help your body with the mold already in it is: Vitamin C (10 grams or 2 tsp.), a B50 complex (2 tablets), and niacinamide (three 500mg tablets). This is supposed to help detoxify the mycotoxins already in you and help remove the "gag" mold places on your white blood cells. And sprinkling some Vitamin B powder on mold-suspect food is meant to "kill off" the mold. Don't know if it's true. But it can't hurt to try, can it? And whatever can give you an edge, right? OH... thought... a book on Cayenne done in the same style the book on Vinegar was done (maybe only Australians were subjected to the never-ending ads :o)). I just did a search at Amazon. There appear to only be two books about Cayenne: "The Healing Power of Cayenne Pepper : Complete Handbook of Cayenne Home Remedies" and "The Health Benefits of Cayenne (Keats Good Health Guides)". The first book was published in December last year - it's pretty new - and has a sales-rank of 129,583. (and people who bought it also bought Left For Dead which was already mentioned in this thread) Wonder how it would go bought from the wholesaler and placed in certain health shops... maybe even on consigment. Hmmm. It's interesting to see the length of this whole thread. There's obviously a lot of interest in Healing Yourself. My opinion is that most Doctors are only good for one thing... fixing you when you're broken - setting broken limbs and stitching up bad cuts. Other than that, all they do is prescribe antibiotics as a cure-all. HA! If you're interested, Dr Sam Chachoua http://www.remissions.org/ seems to be making some interesting inroads in to Cancer Treatment and tissue regeneration. Won $10,000,000 in damages from UCLA for ruining his research too. HA! And Royal Raymond Rife is fascinating. Apparantly he wanted to GIVE his Frequency Generator, which had a 100% success rate in curing cancer, to the world. His refusal to patent the device and turn it into a cash cow saw all his funding dry up and the ridicule begin. There seems to be a consitent pattern to this. And from "men of science" who supposedly are about discovering new things. (I'm amazed at how so many scientists seem to be close-minded about new ideas. They have the same mind-set as those of old who refused to accept the earth's roundness, etc. You'd think after seeing the past performance of scientists in putting new things down when those new things were put forward by individuals and turned out to be correct, they'd have learned. Alas.) Michael Ross. P.S. Amber, don't take my pushing as "having a go at you" but please, move as soon as you can. Okay. |
Closed-minded scientists....
Hi Michael,
> There seems to be a consitent pattern to > this. And from "men of science" > who supposedly are about discovering new > things. (I'm amazed at how so many > scientists seem to be close-minded about new > ideas. They have the same mind-set as those > of old who refused to accept the earth's > roundness, etc. You'd think after seeing the > past performance of scientists in putting > new things down when those new things were > put forward by individuals and turned out to > be correct, they'd have learned. Alas.) Just thought I'd jump in here and agree with you regarding closed-minded scientists.... :) I've been lucky to have worked with a couple scientists who some would consider geniuses, and also I've also come across more mediocre ones.... My impression was that the more brilliant the scientist was, the more open-minded he or she was to new ideas.... They might be a bit skeptical, but you can be skeptical yet still be open-minded to the possibility of a new idea being right. However, the majority of scientists are not like this, and tend to "follow the crowd" too much, and just go along with whatever the "standard" view is at the time without questioning it at all.... Unfortunately, they are more likely to ridicule new ideas, than be open-minded to them.... I personally try to keep an open-mind about things in general.... I think it's healthy to question everything, and find out what's right for yourself (if you have the means to do so).... It's through questioning the status quo that we make progress. :) - Dien |
Re: Did you know someone's doing a double-blind (cont.)
Hi Boyd,
That sounds like interesting research.... I've heard of past research which (like you mentioned) showed that prayer helped, though I guess I always assumed it was about praying for *yourself*.... (In that case, it could be explained as psychological....) I guess as is clear to most, I'm generally a spiritual person, so I use prayer myself a lot.... If it is shown to help, all the better.... :) It's not generally the main purpose of prayer, but if it is shown to help with illness, then it's a nice extra benefit.... :) - Dien |
Re: Thanks Dien Re: The immune system....
Hi Amber,
> Sterolins are part of my personal 'program' > too... and since you made a comment to me in > an email a few months ago, I also now add > sesame oil to my salads. :) Yes, I'm taking sesame seed oil regularly too.... :) I usually just add it to some dish (I sometimes mix it in with corn kernels, where others might add butter....) :) - Dien |
Re: Closed-minded scientists....
i would have to agree that of the few scientists I have met professionally (mine) some have been more easy to to misdirect than I would say the average spectator (I know that's a big generalisation on a limited sample) apparently because of this tendency you write about.
tricks to fool scientists and real people too |
Nothing up my sleeve.... and Presto!
Hi John!
> i would have to agree that of the few > scientists I have met professionally (mine) > some have been more easy to to misdirect > than I would say the average spectator (I > know that's a big generalisation on a > limited sample) apparently because of this > tendency you write about. That's interesting! I presume you're talking about misdirection when doing a magic illusion.... :) I used to enjoy doing magic as a child and teenager (I performed as a teenager at a few kids' parties, which was fun), so while I'm not at your level I have some knowledge of the art of illusion.... :) And, having had a little bit of experience with magic/illusion, and also having been a scientist, I think that many scientists are not as good a judge of this sort of thing as they might think they are, particularly when someone is purposely out to confuse them.... Scientists in general are pretty straight talkers (it's part of your training as a scientist), so they're not generally used to people purposely trying to trick 'em.... :) - Dien |
Re: Tisk Tisk.
> As the Terminator says, "GET OUT!"
Move. > P.S. Amber, don't take my pushing as > "having a go at you" but please, > move as soon as you can. Okay. Michael, Of course you are right. Wiser words have never been spoken! I DO need to move. With each flooding occurrence, we have taken extraordinary measures to clean and fully restore our home - even replacing the air conditioning system. But each new flooding episode brings additional exposure to the dangerous pathogens which have inevitably overwhelmed my immune system. Cleaning and restoration can take over a year and even with the best precautions, it is now known that only small amounts of exposure can cause permanent problems such as fibrosis of the lungs from breathing the 'too small to be seen' fungal particles. However, it is only in recent years that the full extent of the danger has been realized. Now it is in the news everywhere and people are waking up to the truth. We aren't the only ones who are in this predicament. This was our dream home - custom built for us at great expense. But we see it now - eyes wide open - for what it has become. It is a huge 'money pit' and a potential death trap. The stress, alone, of losing everything during one of Mother Nature's 'events' is exhausting and when we were young and foolish, we made a critical decision to pour more money into the home instead of walking away. We regret that now but it seemed only logical at the time since we had so much invested in this property. We weren't thinking then about the residual problems that we would later face. Yes, if only we could turn back time and make different decisions and not have sunk an exorbitant amount of money our into a property that is not sellable even though it IS a beauty. Locking the door and just walking away without a penny of the substantial equity we've put into this home makes it extremely difficult to set up even another simple living arrangement. We will still have to service the huge debt load from this home (while it sits locked up and vacant) in order not to ruin our credit. It presents a challenge...but one we must accept and somehow find a way to make possible. Michael, thanks for your comments. I do appreciate them. By the way...I couldn't pull up the site for http://www.remissions.org. that you included in your post. Maybe they just have it offline to work on it ~ I'll check again later. Thanks Michael! ~Amber |
Chachoua
> Yes, if only we could turn back time and
> make different decisions and not have sunk > an exorbitant amount of money our into a > property that is not sellable even though it > IS a beauty. > Locking the door and just walking away > without a penny of the substantial equity > we've put into this home makes it extremely > difficult to set up even another simple > living arrangement. We will still have to > service the huge debt load from this home > (while it sits locked up and vacant) in > order not to ruin our credit. > It presents a challenge...but one we must > accept and somehow find a way to make > possible. In Australia there are three basic reasons why a house may be unsellable. 1: The house doesn't meet legal requirements for some reason. Like maybe the pool doesn't have a fence around it, or the downpipe has come away from it's conection at the ground level. That sort of thing. 2: Legal action pending. Like maybe a new fence was built and you, as the seller, don't want to pay for your share and your neighbor takes action to be reinbursed. Or your being sued, etc. 3: Unique design. Like maybe the house fits your tastes perfectly... and therefore is certainly not most buyers' cup of tea. There are some more reasons. But these are the most common. Reason 1 requires money. Yuck. Reason 3 requires patience. It will eventually happen. Reason 2... 'nuff said. Whatever reason your house is unsellable, some visualization could help. You know... detailed imagination of the house being sold and you're moving out, kind of thing. You could always approach your bank, present your medical evidence of why it's in your best interest to move, and see if they know a way to help you. > By the way...I couldn't pull up the site for > http://www.remissions.org . that you > included in your post. Maybe they just have > it offline to work on it ~ I'll check again > later. While the site's not coming up, try these two links which are from Google's cache of the site... remissions.org cache and... Some Answers Michael Ross. |
Could MACHO be the reason why?
Hi Dien,
You're familiar with "Dark Matter", right? Anyway, I think it was Stubbs, one of the first people, if not the first, who decided to look for Dark Matter by trying to find MACHOs by way of the light brightness change due to gravitational deflection as the MACHO passed between the earth and the light source. And at the time he decided to go looking the majority of his peers told him he was nuts, wouldn't get funding, and he wouldn't get a job by going after something so unknown. It'd be a shame if that's how most look at it, wouldn't it? That trying to discover new thing wouldn't give you a certain job. But in a sense it can be a good thing. For only the truly inquisitive will go after that mysterious unknown and unproven theory. Meaning, they'll be more passionate about it and less likely to just give up when they haven't figured it out after two minutes. Quantum Mechanics. I heard a guy refer to Quantum Mechanics like so... If you asked 1000 philosophers to spend 1000 years to come up with the most wayout thing they could think of, they would NOT come up with anything as bizar as Quantum Mechanics. Galaxies and Dark Matter. It makes me wonder, if galaxies are surrounded by a bubble of dark matter, is there actually anything in space between galaxies? Is each galaxy really like a glass house? Like light can go through the glass (and nutrinos and radio waves etc.) but nothing else, not matter. And if each galaxy is self-contained, could each galaxy have undergone it's own little bang within it's dark matter bubble? So the Big Bang would really have been something that caused a series of little bangs in a chain reaction nuclear explosion type of way. Know what I mean? Has this been theorised do you know? Of course it all falls down if there is plenty of large solid matter between galaxies. Then again, according to Douglas Adams, the universe was created when the Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed it into existence and will all end with the coming of the Great White Handkerchief. Michael Ross. |
Re: Could MACHO be the reason why?
Are we talking about some kind of Mexican food here?
> Hi Dien, You're familiar with "Dark Matter", right? > Anyway, I think it was Stubbs, one of the > first people, if not the first, who decided > to look for Dark Matter by trying to find > MACHOs by way of the light brightness change > due to gravitational deflection as the MACHO > passed between the earth and the light > source. > And at the time he decided to go looking the > majority of his peers told him he was nuts, > wouldn't get funding, and he wouldn't get a > job by going after something so unknown. > It'd be a shame if that's how most look at > it, wouldn't it? I don't understand theoretical science but I am sure that this IS how the majority of people think. My view is that anybody can do their thing if it doesn't seriously affect others and they don't want me to pay them to do it. If you want me to pay you to look for something behind Uranus show me what I get from the deal. >According to Douglas Adams, the universe was created when the Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed it into existence and will all end with the coming of the Great White Handkerchief. And all I'll probably get from it is the job of washing the damn handkercheif. clean green and white magic |
Multiple Big Bangs and Quantum Mechanical Holism.... :)
Hi Michael!
I know about "dark matter" though I don't know the details of the latest theories.... It's an attempt to try to find out where's the missing mass in the universe. We can see the galaxies "spinning around", but with just the mass we can see, they should fly apart. There must be more mass there helping to hold galaxies together (since with more mass, the gravitational attraction would be stronger).... Some theorize the "missing mass" could simply be lots of non-luminous matter (like lots of burned out stars or something) floating around which we can't see, since it's not emitting light the way "living" stars do.... These are the MACHOS (MAssive Compact Halo Objects).... Another theory is that there is some new type of particle which doesn't react the way normal particles do, only through gravity.... These are WIMPS (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles).... Yes, this is no joke! :) > Quantum Mechanics. > I heard a guy refer to Quantum Mechanics > like so... > If you asked 1000 philosophers to spend 1000 > years to come up with the most wayout thing > they could think of, they would NOT come up > with anything as bizar as Quantum Mechanics. I'd agree.... Quantum mechanics is my specialty. :) It's a strange world where things can, in a sense, be in multiple places at once.... Where a particle can seem to show "knowledge" about a place it has never been! Where one part of the world can affect another part of the world faster than light -- but NOT in a way which allows us to send a faster-than-light signal (nature seems to conspire against allowing this).... Where an observer ALWAYS affects the outcome of what's observed! Quantum mechanics shows that nature truly is holistic.... One part affects the other parts, no matter how far away they are from each other. It shows that "reductionism" -- that understanding something by reducing it to its parts -- has only limited applicability.... I love it's strangeness.... And the best part is, it's all true.... Quantum mechanics is a case of something where truth is stranger than fiction! :) > Galaxies and Dark Matter. > It makes me wonder, if galaxies are > surrounded by a bubble of dark matter, is > there actually anything in space between > galaxies? Is each galaxy really like a glass > house? Like light can go through the glass > (and nutrinos and radio waves etc.) but > nothing else, not matter. Yes, something like that could be possible.... :) > And if each galaxy is self-contained, could > each galaxy have undergone it's own little > bang within it's dark matter bubble? > So the Big Bang would really have been > something that caused a series of little > bangs in a chain reaction nuclear explosion > type of way. Know what I mean? I think I know what you mean.... > Has this been theorised do you know? Of > course it all falls down if there is plenty > of large solid matter between galaxies. I've come across a theory of multiple big bangs.... The name Andrei Linde comes to mind, and his theory of inflationary cosmology.... On his web page, Prof. Andrei Linde writes.... Recent versions of inflationary theory assert that instead of being a single, expanding ball of fire described by the big bang theory, the universe looks like a huge growing fractal. It consists of many inflating balls that produce new balls, which in turn produce more new balls, ad infinitum. > Then again, according to Douglas Adams, the > universe was created when the Great Green > Arkleseizure sneezed it into existence and > will all end with the coming of the Great > White Handkerchief. Well, you never know.... I'm satisfied with Douglas Adams showing me that the "meaning of life" is something I can punch into my calculator! ;) [This is of course, a reference to "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"....] - Dien |
WIMPS and Other Dominions
> I know about "dark matter" though
> I don't know the details of the latest > theories.... It's an attempt to try to find > out where's the missing mass in the > universe. We can see the galaxies > "spinning around", but with just > the mass we can see, they should fly apart. > There must be more mass there helping to > hold galaxies together (since with more > mass, the gravitational attraction would be > stronger).... > Some theorize the "missing mass" > could simply be lots of non-luminous matter > (like lots of burned out stars or something) > floating around which we can't see, since > it's not emitting light the way > "living" stars do.... These are > the MACHOS (MAssive Compact Halo > Objects).... > Another theory is that there is some new > type of particle which doesn't react the way > normal particles do, only through > gravity.... These are WIMPS (Weakly > Interacting Massive Particles).... > Yes, this is no joke! :) I got my Bubble idea from the idea that dark matter must exist because of the difference between the way things in a galaxy revolve around each other - in particular their relevant speeds and distances from the center when compared to the speeds at which items in a solar system revolve. If the dark matter was like a halo, then galaxies would be flat. So it must be all around, a bubble. Anyway. What I like about WIMPS is their "shyness"... or reluctance to be seen. I find it fascinating that to locate one... or know whether it has mass, you've got to detect the recoil from a normal-atom/wimp encounter - the normal atom recoils when encountering a wimp. Assuming a wimp has mass, of course. :o) > I'd agree.... Quantum mechanics is my > specialty. :) > It's a strange world where things can, in a > sense, be in multiple places at once.... > Where a particle can seem to show > "knowledge" about a place it has > never been! > Where one part of the world can affect > another part of the world faster than light > -- but NOT in a way which allows us to send > a faster-than-light signal (nature seems to > conspire against allowing this).... That's an interesting point. Why is it so? Could it in fact be based on something as simple as the reason why there's a set speed at which anything can travel through our atmosphere? Why there seems to be an upper limit to how fast a wind-powered water vessle can go, and so on. Could it be something like the relationship between water and air? Water, to a fish, is just right for moving about, for them. Air, to a fish would surely feel like space does to a bird. No leverage. What I'm saying is, even though space is a vacuum, maybe a vacumm still exerts resistance - like our air does - and that is why there seems to be an upper speed limit. And if that's the case, and if our galaxy is in a bubble with a see-through skin, how do we determine the speed of an object outside of our bubble when all our measurements can only be calculated from within our bubble? It's like gravity down here. It can't be measured so the results match the formula because of air-friction. Projectiiles do no travel in a perfect arc because of air-friction, etc. Remove air and all equations work. But with the speed of light, it could be that its calculation and maximum possible velocity is based on observation from within an environment which has friction - the vacuum of space within our galaxy bubble. Outside of this bubble, could travel be faster and in fact instantaneous? If it was, bob oh boy. We look at an item far away, and based on how fast we think light travels, the object is say four billion light years away. BUT, if we are, for the sake of the arguement, only 100 light years from the edge of our bubble, then the light we think took four billion years to reach us only took 100 years - the time taken to travel from the edge of our bubble to us. The rest of its journey was instant. So when we see this thing happening which we think happened four billion years ago, we're really seeing something which only happened 100 years ago. It'd be like when we speak to people on a phone. The sound we make travels at the speed of sound, leaves the air then travels much much faster, then re-enters the air and travels at the speed of sound again. In a sense, we have sound travelling faster than sound. What if our bubbles were like that? Light travels at the known speed of light in our bubble, leaves the bubble and travels much much faster maybe instant, then re-enters another bubble and travels at the known speed of light again. > Where an observer ALWAYS affects the outcome > of what's observed! > Quantum mechanics shows that nature truly is > holistic.... One part affects the other > parts, no matter how far away they are from > each other. It shows that > "reductionism" -- that > understanding something by reducing it to > its parts -- has only limited > applicability.... > I love it's strangeness.... And the best > part is, it's all true.... > Quantum mechanics is a case of something > where truth is stranger than fiction! :) Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here. IF what I just explained with the bubble were applied here, as far as I can see, it fits. That is, objects affect each other in a way they apparantly shouldn't, exhibiting faster than light abilities. If each of these objects were a small-scale version of my "light travels faster outside of our bubble galaxy" idea, and each object was inside of it's own little bubble, then you'd expect the same effect. And it wouldn't seem so odd, would it? > I've come across a theory of multiple big > bangs.... The name Andrei Linde comes to > mind, and his theory of inflationary > cosmology.... > On his web page, Prof. Andrei Linde > writes.... > Recent versions of inflationary theory > assert that instead of being a single, > expanding ball of fire described by the big > bang theory, the universe looks like a huge > growing fractal. It consists of many > inflating balls that produce new balls, > which in turn produce more new balls, ad > infinitum. My idea isn't so much as an inflationary theory more a variation of what already is except with bubbles. Think of it like this... Each galaxy is in its own bubble and always was. Now imagine these bubbles all huddled together in a very big bunch. Infact, for the sake of this, lets apply normal gravity. So these bubbles are all huddled together. As the mass of bubbles increases they exert more gravity and draw mmore bubbles into the mass - like a singularity. However, unlike a singularity, the pressure does create an explosion. The bubble in the middle of the massive ball of bubbles explodes as would be expected from the pressure and heat. This explosion (the first initial bang) does a few things. First, it scatters the bubbles which surround it, as you'd expect. Second, the heat from that exploding bubble is absorbed by the other bubbles. As they move against each other being expelled from being a mass, they rub and create more heat. So now they've warmed up from rubbing and from absorbing heat from the first bubble's explosion. The heat inside of each of these bubbles isn't enough to make them blow up, but is enough to partially ignite what's inside. So as the bubbles fly apart in all directions they have their own little explosions going on inside - galaxies begin to form. These bubbles fly apart like shrapnel from a grenade. And just as shrapnel is hot, these bubbles are hot. As they contain material which can ignite, the heat and explosion shockwave (pressure) from the initial explosion ignite those materials. Hmmm.... I wonder how Stephen Hawking would rip this apart. HA! How could I prove/disprove that light travels faster outside of a bubble when all we know is based from living in our bubble? |
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