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Skip Rosell May 1, 2012 10:37 AM

How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Hi my friends,

This just happen to me last week.

A friend of mine that works for a heating & cooling company in my area
called me and asked if I could help her boss out of a jam.

Lisa knew I worked at home on the computer and her boss had a real big problem.

Rich, (the boss) had a site built by a web designer in the area. But he could not contact him for the last 3 months. Since the seasons were changing and his prices had increased he needed some changes to the site right away.

The designer set up the web site with a user name and password and never gave that info to the owner. WOW! You own the site but do not have access! He had no idea how to get into the site to make the changes.

Think this does not happen often? Business owners get into this jam all the time because they want the designer to handle ALL OF the site and not have to learn ANOTHER new trade just to run their business.

Since I knew a way to get this info I told him I would get him a new user name and password for $100. It took me all of 5 minutes to do this for him.

Then while we were talking he told me his friend who owned a local oil company had the same designer and the same problem. You see it was the oil company owner that turned him on to this designer in the first place.

So I called the owner of the oil company and got him for $100. BUT it did not stop there.

Since I help them out of a jam they both signed up for a $125 a month contract for me to manage their sites. Just normal maintainence of their site and any major changes will be billed over and above.

Now I could have left it at that and would have been very happy with what I got BUT....

Since the old designer left his footprint on the sites I figured how many other sites did he do the same thing to? Now in respect to the old designer he may have had moved, had home problems, died, or a number of other reasons for not getting back to the owners of wesites that he produced.

But I did a quick search and low and behold I found 23 sites that were made up by this phamthom of a designer. All these sites were set up the same way and I figured that he kept some or all of these passwords to himself.

I contacted 10 of the 23 so far and got a contract with 6 of them. 2 of the other 4 had a new designer make up a new website with a new url for big bucks. One had the password and The last one I could not contact.

So how much fell into my lap from this chance meeting?

Eight at $100
Eight at $125 a month (I out source this for $50 per month)
Eight at $$$ for major changes. (which I will out source.
Eight that I can sell other services to like Emial marketing, Google places, SMS messaging, etc.

I could have charged more for the ID and password set up but since I charged the heating guy $100 and all the sites are from my local area I did not want to raise the prices on the others.

BUT...how many others are out there in just the US that have the same problem. They hooked up with a designer that has "flew the coop" so to speak? And kept the password!

Who would like to run this type of service?

Do you know ways of finding these web site owners?
Any ideas?

I have one way and will give up that secret if others want to start doing this service. Just comment on this thread that you would like more info

Best of success,

Skip Rosell

hockeycoachdoug May 1, 2012 10:58 AM

Re: How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Skip- congrats on falling into $$. How did you get new password info?- I assume they were the owners of the site, not the previous web dude. Interesting thread- I am all ears for any additional info you are willing to share, and thanks in advance.

Skip Rosell May 1, 2012 11:57 AM

Re: How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeycoachdoug (Post 30760)
Skip- congrats on falling into $$. How did you get new password info?- I assume they were the owners of the site, not the previous web dude. Interesting thread- I am all ears for any additional info you are willing to share, and thanks in advance.


Hi my friend,

Thanks for asking.

I will be back tonight to answer all questions and see how many are interested.

Have to go do some offline marketing. That is where I really make my money and this internet thing is just some extra cash. NOW you know why I give so much away for free or charge under $10 for my reports. :)

See you later and,

Best of success,

Skip Rosell

Phil May 1, 2012 12:35 PM

Re: How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Hey Skip...

Definitely lots More ways to ''Think'' about Applying, just a few Other methods and ideas into the Swing of things...

Applied with Caution...

Unless, I didn't Fully understand the Methods you were Referring in reference to...

Remember... Usually with most Hosting, but [Not] all are Pretty much on Shared IP addresses and Of Course with A little more Digging around it's Fairly Easy to Find out Exactly which Businesses, Web URL's are on Each of those IP's... :)

Don't Tell Anyone but Once you have Most of that information, it becomes Reasonably Easy to Find select Chosen email addresses too...

Unfortunately and fortunately... Email Addresses (sometimes) Leads to Unknown Secret information and A Few other interesting Possibilties for those that Kinda Get this Encypted message...

Those Mystery Email address Return Finders of important Details!

Better Not Say too Much More or we'll be getting into Blackhat/Hacking type of techniques and the Somewhat of Un-Mentionals related, regarding SowPubs! ...

Skip... Always! Glad to Help and Review your ''Beta'' Product Line, just in case you Might be interested...

With a few of my Thoughts, comments, possibly More Too! ...

In a Round about way...

More {Twistable} and Somewhat related Ideas on the Subject of Domaining...

Many Other Types of misc. Uses & Investigations! ... ;)

Recently posted about in another Thread...

Quick Copy & Paste...

Another {Twistable} Great idea(s) into Many more Money making ideas!
Enjoy some more Crazy BRAINSTORMING! ...

Ideas if You Can See them Coming? ...

Have fun spying, discovering and learning new processes!

Spy On Domain Name Technique(s)...
http://www.dotweekly.com/spy-on-domain-name-technique/

Bottom Line... Services and Consulting business ideas are Truly Endless! ...

Brainstorming Paradise... Whether as a Research Tool, Creativity, Marketer, Investor, Trend Watching, JV's etc. etc..
http://www.warriorplus.com/wso/?q=Se...s=Open&q_go=GO

All the Best...

Phil

Eva May 1, 2012 02:11 PM

Re: How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Rosell (Post 30759)
Hi my friends,

This just happen to me last week.

A friend of mine that works for a heating & cooling company in my area
called me and asked if I could help her boss out of a jam.

Lisa knew I worked at home on the computer and her boss had a real big problem.

Rich, (the boss) had a site built by a web designer in the area. But he could not contact him for the last 3 months. Since the seasons were changing and his prices had increased he needed some changes to the site right away.

The designer set up the web site with a user name and password and never gave that info to the owner. WOW! You own the site but do not have access! He had no idea how to get into the site to make the changes.

Think this does not happen often? Business owners get into this jam all the time because they want the designer to handle ALL OF the site and not have to learn ANOTHER new trade just to run their business.

Since I knew a way to get this info I told him I would get him a new user name and password for $100. It took me all of 5 minutes to do this for him.

Then while we were talking he told me his friend who owned a local oil company had the same designer and the same problem. You see it was the oil company owner that turned him on to this designer in the first place.

So I called the owner of the oil company and got him for $100. BUT it did not stop there.

Since I help them out of a jam they both signed up for a $125 a month contract for me to manage their sites. Just normal maintainence of their site and any major changes will be billed over and above.

Now I could have left it at that and would have been very happy with what I got BUT....

Since the old designer left his footprint on the sites I figured how many other sites did he do the same thing to? Now in respect to the old designer he may have had moved, had home problems, died, or a number of other reasons for not getting back to the owners of wesites that he produced.

But I did a quick search and low and behold I found 23 sites that were made up by this phamthom of a designer. All these sites were set up the same way and I figured that he kept some or all of these passwords to himself.

I contacted 10 of the 23 so far and got a contract with 6 of them. 2 of the other 4 had a new designer make up a new website with a new url for big bucks. One had the password and The last one I could not contact.

So how much fell into my lap from this chance meeting?

Eight at $100
Eight at $125 a month (I out source this for $50 per month)
Eight at $$$ for major changes. (which I will out source.
Eight that I can sell other services to like Emial marketing, Google places, SMS messaging, etc.

I could have charged more for the ID and password set up but since I charged the heating guy $100 and all the sites are from my local area I did not want to raise the prices on the others.

BUT...how many others are out there in just the US that have the same problem. They hooked up with a designer that has "flew the coop" so to speak? And kept the password!

Who would like to run this type of service?

Do you know ways of finding these web site owners?
Any ideas?

I have one way and will give up that secret if others want to start doing this service. Just comment on this thread that you would like more info

Best of success,

Skip Rosell


Are you kiddin'? Of course I would LOVE to know how. There's probably an epidemic out there with designers with-holding info for whatever reasons.

.....waiting im-patiently...

Eva

Ken M May 1, 2012 06:58 PM

Re: How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Yes, indeed, Skip! Inquiring minds would love to know.

I know in many cases you can find the owner (and perhaps the web host)through one of the whois sites such as whois dot sc, but I'd love to know how to get them a user name and pw for the account.

Thanks,

Ken

Skip Rosell May 1, 2012 09:53 PM

Re: How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Rosell (Post 30759)
Hi my friends,

This just happen to me last week.

A friend of mine that works for a heating & cooling company in my area
called me and asked if I could help her boss out of a jam.

Lisa knew I worked at home on the computer and her boss had a real big problem.

Rich, (the boss) had a site built by a web designer in the area. But he could not contact him for the last 3 months. Since the seasons were changing and his prices had increased he needed some changes to the site right away.

The designer set up the web site with a user name and password and never gave that info to the owner. WOW! You own the site but do not have access! He had no idea how to get into the site to make the changes.

Think this does not happen often? Business owners get into this jam all the time because they want the designer to handle ALL OF the site and not have to learn ANOTHER new trade just to run their business.

Since I knew a way to get this info I told him I would get him a new user name and password for $100. It took me all of 5 minutes to do this for him.

Then while we were talking he told me his friend who owned a local oil company had the same designer and the same problem. You see it was the oil company owner that turned him on to this designer in the first place.

So I called the owner of the oil company and got him for $100. BUT it did not stop there.

Since I help them out of a jam they both signed up for a $125 a month contract for me to manage their sites. Just normal maintainence of their site and any major changes will be billed over and above.

Now I could have left it at that and would have been very happy with what I got BUT....

Since the old designer left his footprint on the sites I figured how many other sites did he do the same thing to? Now in respect to the old designer he may have had moved, had home problems, died, or a number of other reasons for not getting back to the owners of wesites that he produced.

But I did a quick search and low and behold I found 23 sites that were made up by this phamthom of a designer. All these sites were set up the same way and I figured that he kept some or all of these passwords to himself.

I contacted 10 of the 23 so far and got a contract with 6 of them. 2 of the other 4 had a new designer make up a new website with a new url for big bucks. One had the password and The last one I could not contact.

So how much fell into my lap from this chance meeting?

Eight at $100
Eight at $125 a month (I out source this for $50 per month)
Eight at $$$ for major changes. (which I will out source.
Eight that I can sell other services to like Emial marketing, Google places, SMS messaging, etc.

I could have charged more for the ID and password set up but since I charged the heating guy $100 and all the sites are from my local area I did not want to raise the prices on the others.

BUT...how many others are out there in just the US that have the same problem. They hooked up with a designer that has "flew the coop" so to speak? And kept the password!

Who would like to run this type of service?

Do you know ways of finding these web site owners?
Any ideas?

I have one way and will give up that secret if others want to start doing this service. Just comment on this thread that you would like more info

Best of success,

Skip Rosell



Doug Phil,Eve, Ken and all sowpubbers.

I only know one way to get the user ID and Password. It is the way I did it to get the info for my customers. When you have your back against the wall you have to find a work around to complete the order to get paid.

So the secret I reveal here is NO Secret it is just how I did it. No Black Hat needed.

Go to betterwhois.com ( there are a number of sites that have whois and if one does not give you the following info try another) and find the owner of the domain name. That is the owner of the URL.

If the owner is the name of the business owner and not the web designer your'e good to go. But if the name is anything other then the business/owner all is not lost. See below.

Now you have to find the Hosting company. Some times it is listed and other times it is not. If it is not listed then go down until you find the DNS information (Domain Name Servers) Copy the DNS into Google search box and it will tell you what hosting uses that server.

Here is what happens most of the time when the web designer sets up an account. He gives the business owner the user name and password for the Domain Name so the owner OWNS the URL. Most business owners know enough to ask for the log-in for their URL registeur. But then the web designer sets up hosting with a different user name and/or Password. So the business owner THINKS he owns the complete domain but can not get into the hosting account. That means he can not make changes or FTP any files.

There are some good reasons for this as far as the web designer goes. 1. He controls the site. 2. He keeps the owner and others from messing up his files.

But when it goes wrong with the web designer you need the user ID and password of the hosting to change files or ftp files.

Some times the most simple way will get you what you need. I found out (by calling) that most hosting companies have a way to transfer the Domain name to the owner of the business with PROOF of ownership. So like Godaddy ( which a lot of people use both for registering the URL AND use for the hosting) what the owner of the business has to do is fill out a form and submit proof of ID with a photo ID like a license. Then the hosting company will verify the info and will give the business owner the FTP infomation. Takes a day or two.

That is the only way I know and I'm sure there are other ways some more knowledgable people then me can give you. If any one here knows please share IF White Hat.

*****Now, how can we find the sites that have problems with their web designer?

I could check to see if there have been any changes in the last 3 months in sites but that takes time. If no changes in last 3 months then they could be a good prospect for our service. Things move fast on the web and no changes in 3 months is not a good sign for their website. Of course they could have a static page or pages and we would waste our time doing it this way.

We could also set up a website that targets the business owners with this problem. I think I will research some keywords to see if I can make money from the website with this program.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.


There are some other twists and turns I have learned over the last couple of weeks and when I have a better system I might write a report on this. Of course I won't forget my friends on SowPub.

Best of success,

Skip Rosell

sandalwood May 1, 2012 10:09 PM

Re: How to fall into MONEY!!!
 
Skip,

Thanks for posting the "plan". It is definitely white hat and above board. I'd bet once you did that for one person, you'd get a boat load of referrals. You can't possibly be successful in every case but let's say you are hitting 75%. That's almost like having the keys to heaven.

Tom :)

Pappy May 1, 2012 10:26 PM

skip be very careful...
 
if their was not a contract drawn up, the developer owns the source code. IF they are dead, MIA, done, quit or whatever,,, then you are screwed. NOW you can take your chances...

I've been programming for 30 years. I have never given ownership rights to anyone I've done work for.

If a developer works for a company, the company owns the source code. If a developer signs a contract for "work for hire", the client owns the source code. If a client pays a developer to develop a web site (no contract), then the developer owns the source code.

By default, US copyright law does not transfer ownership rights to the client. Basically by default, the client has a license to use it, kinda like when you buy MS word. You do not own MS word, you have a license to use it.

SO be very careful changing someone else's source code.

later...
Pappy

Skip Rosell May 1, 2012 11:26 PM

Re: skip be very careful...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pappy (Post 30770)
if their was not a contract drawn up, the developer owns the source code. IF they are dead, MIA, done, quit or whatever,,, then you are screwed. NOW you can take your chances...

I've been programming for 30 years. I have never given ownership rights to anyone I've done work for.

If a developer works for a company, the company owns the source code. If a developer signs a contract for "work for hire", the client owns the source code. If a client pays a developer to develop a web site (no contract), then the developer owns the source code.

By default, US copyright law does not transfer ownership rights to the client. Basically by default, the client has a license to use it, kinda like when you buy MS word. You do not own MS word, you have a license to use it.

SO be very careful changing someone else's source code.

later...
Pappy


Hi Pappy,

Good to see you are still up and kicking. :)

You are right. Period. That is why I said when I have a better system I would write a report. There are a lot of holes to fill first IF they can be filled.

The way it is right now you are taken a chance. A risk.

If it is a one person business and they pass away you have a good "chance" of having no problems. But on the other hand......

But would you take it to court if you did not service the client but hold them hostage for 3, 6 months. If the business owner owns the Domain that you did the work on does that not imply ownership of the site? What rights does the one who is paying the bill have?

I think it is a fine line>

Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

Best of success,

Skip Rosell


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