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Fishman August 26, 2012 08:02 PM

Frank Lloyd Wright
 
Dien, Gordon, and all moderators...

I hope this ok to post. I understand it's not really about business but I feel strongly about this as I have an affinity for structural art, especially when it comes to homes.

If for some reason you delete this post I understand and I obviously do not mind as I know that it does not really relate to what we talk about here.

But from the great group that we do have here, it seems to me that there has to be some that appreciate art in all its various forms so here goes...

http://www.change.org/petitions/city...s-wright-house

The F.L.W. Conservancy has put up this petition to save a house that he had designed at the same time he was designing the Guggenheim Museum.

Apparently a developer bought the house and is planning on demolishing it so that he can build two "McMansions" in its place.

My thoughts were that, given the level of standards of some of us here at SowPub, there would be at least a few that would also like to sign the petition if you did not already know about it.

Thank you if you keep this post up and thanks to all who decide to sign the petition.

Fred

Bozo August 27, 2012 12:50 AM

Re: Frank Lloyd Wright
 
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Originally Posted by Fishman (Post 31691)
Dien, Gordon, and all moderators...

I hope this ok to post. I understand it's not really about business


I think it's very much about business, which in this case is the business of property development.

I support the developer's right to do what he wants with the property since he paid for it. Those that want to save the place should be collecting dollars to purchase the place, instead of signatures on a petition to government to interfere in a man's right to property.

That developer is expecting to profit, so that sets the price. Pay the man, or STFU.

LindaL August 27, 2012 05:19 AM

Re: Frank Lloyd Wright
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozo (Post 31693)
I think it's very much about business, which in this case is the business of property development.

I support the developer's right to do what he wants with the property since he paid for it. Those that want to save the place should be collecting dollars to purchase the place, instead of signatures on a petition to government to interfere in a man's right to property.

That developer is expecting to profit, so that sets the price. Pay the man, or STFU.


I absolutely agree with you, the developer is expecting to profit, so you have to take this into account.

Fishman August 27, 2012 10:17 PM

Re: Frank Lloyd Wright
 
I understand what your saying Boz, he has every right to profit for his time, and effort and investment. (and they may very well Pay the man and SEBTFU) But the point is that sometimes some things are WAY MORE IMPORTANT than money.

These people are not trying cry like babies, or use the government, and take his house from him. They are trying to find a way to work with him by appealing to him directly, from what I could tell.

If you know anything at all about Frank L. W. he wasn't just an architectural design genius, he was also an educator and humanitarian.

The idea here is not to take away the developers right to do anything, it is to preserve a piece of history that shows what men/women/humanity are capable of producing.

And I can guarantee you that two or two hundred "McMansions" will never measure up to his standards of excellence in design or show any real humanitarian "development".

Look at all the "McMansions" that are setting empty right now because of "so called development"/BUSINESS. (foreclosures due to lack of ethical lending and lack of, on the borrowers part, ethical borrowing)

And trust me, I know from the inside out how the mortgage business worked and works because of direct involvement. Everyone talks about how the mortgage meltdown started in or around 2006 with "NO DOC" "Stated Income" loans. When the reality is the hole was being dug ten years earlier in 1996.

Anyway, the idea is that the house is more of a monument than just four walls with a roof.

Wow, can't believe how convoluted this all had to become. Wasn't trying to open up a debate. Sounds like I hit a nerve though. Was not my intention.

Fred

Bozo August 28, 2012 12:28 AM

Here's the problem with the place
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishman (Post 31698)
I understand what your saying Boz, he has every right to profit for his time, and effort and investment. (and they may very well Pay the man and SEBTFU) But the point is that sometimes some things are WAY MORE IMPORTANT than money.


Some things are more important than money when one can afford to make them more important. That doesn't seem to be the case in Phoenix.

The great grand daughters sold the place for $2.8M in 2009.
Early this year, Meridian bought it for $1.8M.
Somebody is out $1M, and the crying isn't over yet.

There's not a lot of people who want to live in a 1950's monstrosity, much less maintain it, and pay big bucks for the privilege.

The buyer in 2009 thought he got a bargain. (I'm guessing)
Realized his mistake and got out while the getting was as good as it would get, and only lost a million.

We can only guess what price the undisclosed new buyer paid, or what concessions he will get from the architectural hysterical society.

Business as usual. I wonder what Howard Roark would think of this battle?

Fishman August 28, 2012 09:00 PM

Re: Frank Lloyd Wright
 
Ok?


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