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GordonJ August 3, 2017 12:59 PM

What you want, so far.
 
What you say you want from us, summary:

How about case studies of what marketing or advertising approaches worked? And are WORKING, in today's world. I think we can do this.

I don't understand how to advertise on Facebook or if it's even worth it. Dien is really getting into testing this, probably by the Fall, we'll have some results, maybe some NEW case studies.

You want current results because what you did a few years back, doesn't produce results. We can probably share some of the success with the group.

You want to see more here about selling digital information, and you want tested and proven real, A-Z steps to accomplishing specific things,

We will probably be doing more Joint Ventures here, tapping into YOUR expertise and assisting YOU to sell to our lists and members. For me, I do have a list of projects I'd like to do, but, TIME is, as it always has been, the critical issue for me, I think Dien might feel the same at this point. It is easier for me to edit, advise and assist YOU in creating digital information and having everyone WIN, mutual benefit for you, your customer and us. Always open to ideas.

Dien has been using ifttt, here is LINK to a 2015 thread

http://www.sowpub.com/forum/showthread.php?p=35560

We are also building more of a Facebook, and Twitter presence, (Dien is), so we may have some groups to discuss some of the old stuff, which still works.

"I'd also love to see Spiders and Snakes finished. That's a book I'd buy!
" My daughter and I are working on a book, and I'm playing with animation software, to see if I can make a little movie too. It is the foundation on which I built a good life on and is based on lessons learned one hot Spring day in 1960. Like a lot of my work, it doesn't get the attention (MINE) it deserves.

Maybe a $1 kindle book on entrepreneurial secrets from the legends on SOWPUB might also "kindle" interest from a fresh market? Include links to resources on SOW? Good idea, maybe I can combine the best of SOWPUB with Nectar of the masters, and mobi that baby, OR...one of you could take this on...HINT!

We want to invite you and your smartest friends, not sure how. The good guys get invited to a lot of parties, so we always welcome people, our party door is open, but maybe the Sorority House is throwing a more inviting party...but we agree, like to increase the WHO visits and let them bring the what.

You want practical money making ideas , tips that can be found no where else.
This is hard to do, we uncover secrets from lots of folk, but we feel we've been sharing PRACTICAL money making ideas for 18 years, hope to keep doing it.

As to “many more members” here, we've always had the Welcome sign out, however, we are careful not to get overloaded like Warrior Forum, and more members means more work for us. The point I've been trying to make here is, we will be doing less work here, not trying to increase the workload.

As for a “massive increase” in members? NO thanks.

As for political debates, we've NEVER encouraged them, in fact lost a few valuable contributors because they couldn't contain their politics.

SowPub has always been about business and making money, if anyone feels we've encouraged political debate, you must have landed here an a very unusual day!

We'll think about more prizes, bribes, gifts, give it some thought. We will NOT be offering blogs or sub forums to anyone.

Yes Google likes us, SowPub is frequently on Page One for many business or money making ideas, thanks to all the participation over the years.

The mention of George Haylings, set off a lot of good ideas, I remember discussing George with Dien and Rick Smith when Dien came to Ohio. Dien's newsletters cover a lot of this.

Early Internet “Georges” included Ron Ruiz, Dave Bancroft and SowPub, with many contributors who recalled: Dean DuVall, Ernest Weckesser, Joe Karbo, George Haylings, and a host of others.

Thanks to all who posted, we will give every idea a good review, flesh things out and hopefully keep Sowpub humming along and with YOUR help, make it even better.

TWO days left, if you have anything to add, please do, and get a chance for a nice gift. Add to this thread, OR the original What do you want? thread.


Gordon and Dien

Bob B August 4, 2017 07:08 PM

Re: What you want, so far.
 
[quote=GordonJ;38391]

Really like this idea, Gordon:

Maybe a $1 kindle book on entrepreneurial secrets from the legends on SOWPUB might also "kindle" interest from a fresh market? Include links to resources on SOW? Good idea, maybe I can combine the best of SOWPUB with Nectar of the masters, and mobi that baby, OR...one of you could take this on...HINT!

How about having someone interview you (someone who knows something about marketing, etc.) or do a series of interviews for SowPub that could be turned into various products with some editing (audio books, hot sheets, PDF reports) and sold for $10 to $30 each. I'm guessing that the accumulated wisdom of Gordon alone could realistically be converted into a library of hundreds of products the Sowpub audience would love. Yes, that would take some time to build up. But what about doing a 1-hour interview at a time on a specific topic, like direct mail tips every web site could use?

Bob B

GordonJ August 4, 2017 09:25 PM

An hour of me is hard to take, even for me...but 30-45 mins, I could do that.
 
[quote=Bob B;38393]
Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonJ (Post 38391)

Really like this idea, Gordon:

Maybe a $1 kindle book on entrepreneurial secrets from the legends on SOWPUB might also "kindle" interest from a fresh market? Include links to resources on SOW? Good idea, maybe I can combine the best of SOWPUB with Nectar of the masters, and mobi that baby, OR...one of you could take this on...HINT!

How about having someone interview you (someone who knows something about marketing, etc.) or do a series of interviews for SowPub that could be turned into various products with some editing (audio books, hot sheets, PDF reports) and sold for $10 to $30 each. I'm guessing that the accumulated wisdom of Gordon alone could realistically be converted into a library of hundreds of products the Sowpub audience would love. Yes, that would take some time to build up. But what about doing a 1-hour interview at a time on a specific topic, like direct mail tips every web site could use?

Bob B


I'd be willing to do something like this, be glad answer questions BUT, I don't want to write it, so whomever would either need it transcribed or do the transcription. But talking,

as many of you know,

I CAN do that.

Bob, if you want to do something like this, give me an email with your first idea, and we'll talk and set up an initial "test of concept", fair enough?

Gordon (does he ever shut up?) Alexander

Dien Rice August 4, 2017 10:13 PM

Thanks... those are great ideas...! :)
 
[quote=Bob B;38393]
Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonJ (Post 38391)

Really like this idea, Gordon:

Maybe a $1 kindle book on entrepreneurial secrets from the legends on SOWPUB might also "kindle" interest from a fresh market? Include links to resources on SOW? Good idea, maybe I can combine the best of SOWPUB with Nectar of the masters, and mobi that baby, OR...one of you could take this on...HINT!

How about having someone interview you (someone who knows something about marketing, etc.) or do a series of interviews for SowPub that could be turned into various products with some editing (audio books, hot sheets, PDF reports) and sold for $10 to $30 each. I'm guessing that the accumulated wisdom of Gordon alone could realistically be converted into a library of hundreds of products the Sowpub audience would love. Yes, that would take some time to build up. But what about doing a 1-hour interview at a time on a specific topic, like direct mail tips every web site could use?

Thanks Bob, I think those are some great ideas...! :)

Best wishes,

Dien

donsonic August 5, 2017 05:53 AM

Re: What you want, so far.
 
[dave bancroft]

Gordon,

Could you provide a short history on Dave Bancroft? Is he still with us today? I know he was one of the early Internet Marketing pioneers. He also started online reprint/resell rights with VHS video cassettes. I have many of them. Keep up the great work.

donsonic

GordonJ August 5, 2017 11:17 AM

Re: What you want, so far.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by donsonic (Post 38396)
[dave bancroft]

Gordon,

Could you provide a short history on Dave Bancroft? Is he still with us today? I know he was one of the early Internet Marketing pioneers. He also started online reprint/resell rights with VHS video cassettes. I have many of them. Keep up the great work.

donsonic


Well, I like Dave. He had one of the original FORUMS, which were what the discussion groups of Usenet...aka newsgroups and bulletin boards were called in the 20th Century. I discovered them in 1987, and started selling computer parts and software.

So, when www came about, many of us were familiar with the forum concept and there was a lot of early software for setting them up, and everybody did. My first www forum of posts, was on the circa 1994 or 95 SCI, (Ben Suarez) forum, and he was light years ahead of his time, just winding up or getting out of the computer biz. There was a time when Ben and SCI were as big as Dell in the selling of PCs.

OK. So Dave was one of those off line guys, who prior to the Internet ran ads in magazines, but was also getting ready for the big Internet Explosion, as I wrote about in 1997 for SCI and the NPGS UPDATE HOTLINE.

After the forum, I heard, but can't confirm, Dave had some health issues, but he then went behind the camera and I believe he has focused on music and video as a producer/director. I haven't had any contact with Dave, but like so many of us early users, we all have gone on to pursue many other things in our lives.

But, I do have an archive and starting this afternoon, I'll post up some of those posts I made at Dave's Forum in the last century. It will be fun to see if Old Gordon has withstood the test of time, thanks for asking.

Gordon

donsonic August 5, 2017 11:32 AM

Re: What you want, so far.
 
Gordon,

You are most welcome !
That time also started lots of reprint and resell rights making BIG MONEY online. It was a HUGE transition from offline to online. Lots of online pioneers who took advantage of the wild west of the Internet. Keep up the great work !

donsonic

MVc5hws August 6, 2017 04:34 AM

Re: What you want, so far.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonJ (Post 38391)

Really like this idea, Gordon:

Maybe a $1 kindle book on entrepreneurial secrets from the legends on SOWPUB might also "kindle" interest from a fresh market? Include links to resources on SOW? Good idea, maybe I can combine the best of SOWPUB with Nectar of the masters, and mobi that baby, OR...one of you could take this on...HINT!

How about having someone interview you (someone who knows something about marketing, etc.) or do a series of interviews for SowPub that could be turned into various products with some editing (audio books, hot sheets, PDF reports) and sold for $10 to $30 each. I'm guessing that the accumulated wisdom of Gordon alone could realistically be converted into a library of hundreds of products the Sowpub audience would love. Yes, that would take some time to build up. But what about doing a 1-hour interview at a time on a specific topic, like direct mail tips every web site could use?

Bob B


I agree, great idea. My idea was kinda similar but I forgot to post it before the end of the giveaway:

Create an index or knowledge-base using information from the Sowpub forums. I was originally thinking of a wiki, or series of PDF documents to help people find the information easier... but I like the idea of a book series better.

1. Pick a topic
2. Search through the forums and collect all the information on that topic
3. Synthesize
4. Clarify
5. Publish in a wiki form, series of web pages, or series of audio books and ebooks

I have been slowly going back through the archives, making my own notes and gathering information. There is an mind-boggling amount of information.

Collecting this information and synthesizing it won't be that hard, it just takes a good bit of work. Add in some interviews with Gordon, and it's a great way to consolidate the Wisdom of SOWPUB into actionable reports. MP3, PDF, Mobi and Epub.

Good stuff!

unpinkpanther August 6, 2017 05:04 AM

JVs for SOWPubbers?
 
Considering Gordon & Dien's tight schedules, could these proposed projects be JV opportunities for SOWPubbers who can synthesize the archives?


Quote:

Originally Posted by MVc5hws (Post 38405)
I agree, great idea. My idea was very similar:

Create an index or knowledge-base using information from the Sowpub forums. I was originally thinking of a wiki, or series of PDF documents, but I like the idea of a book series better.

1. Pick a topic
2. Search through the forums and collect all the information on that topic
3. Synthesize
4. Clarify
5. Publish in a wiki form, series of web pages, or series of audio books and ebooks

I have been slowly going back through the archives, making my own notes and gathering information. There is an mind-boggling amount of information.

Collecting this information and synthesizing it won't be that hard, it just takes a good bit of work. Add in some interviews with Gordon, and it's a great way to consolidate the Wisdom of SOWPUB into actionable reports. MP3, PDF, Mobi and Epub.

Good stuff!


MVc5hws August 6, 2017 06:15 AM

Re: JVs for SOWPubbers?
 
I think Gordon alluded to collaborations in the first part of the thread. Great opportunity!

GordonJ August 6, 2017 11:42 AM

YES, we're interested in JV, will listen to any ideas anyone has,
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MVc5hws (Post 38409)
I think Gordon alluded to collaborations in the first part of the thread. Great opportunity!


Thanks, let me be straight up here, no hints, secret messages or being coy.

YES, SowPub is interested in any sort of a Joint Venture you have in mind.

We will listen to anything, but, you may find us a bit choosy. It isn't about making money with anything we don't like, and I (Gordon) don't like a LOT of stuff.

But, we do have some good lists to make offers to. We do get ranked by Google. We can broadcast to thousands, although rarely do.

Here are rough draft guidelines for your JV idea:

A- Your time, our knowledge
B- Well defined TARGET MARKET
C- A well thought out plan, one year, view from rooftop, rungs up
D- Prefer higher end offers, but will listen to front ends too
E- Simple, executable ideas which don't involve other people, software or third party rules and regs.


Basically, we could do almost anything. So, let us hear from you, and if you prefer, send email, and I'll include a standard statement about non disclosure too, but we can't DO a JV, if we don't know what it is, fair enough?

Gordon

sandalwood August 8, 2017 11:18 AM

Re: What you want, so far.
 
I've read all the posts and my oh my are there great ideas. Donsonic certainly presented one. But, and this is a big but...

HOW DO YOU GET SOMEONE OFF THEIR DEAD ASS TO TAKE ACTION?

Isn't that really the first step in ANY program. I know it is for me. I'm in the insurance business and if I don't talk to people about insurance I don't sell any. Now I can buy a list of prospects, talk to other gym rats, engage the couple sitting at the next table at our fave restaurant or whatever in order to talk with people. It doesn't matter how I take action.

BUT (see I said it was big) I have to take action. No action NO WRITTEN POLICIES. No policies no checks.

I know I've interrupted this idea sling fest with my question. Truth be told, nobody has yet addressed the most important, at least to me, question raised above.

I would bet everyone on this forum has spent 7, 10 or more buckaroos on ebooks, videos, books and other forms of information transfer on the latest greatest idea, venture, program and read it cover to cover. After they read it, they put it in a file with the intent to get back to it in a few days. Howemsoever, that never happened.

So again, how do we as individuals get off our dead ass and take action?

GordonJ August 8, 2017 12:31 PM

EXCELLENT question...here is one (MY) answer.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sandalwood (Post 38414)
I've read all the posts and my oh my are there great ideas. Donsonic certainly presented one. But, and this is a big but...

HOW DO YOU GET SOMEONE OFF THEIR DEAD ASS TO TAKE ACTION?

Isn't that really the first step in ANY program. I know it is for me. I'm in the insurance business and if I don't talk to people about insurance I don't sell any. Now I can buy a list of prospects, talk to other gym rats, engage the couple sitting at the next table at our fave restaurant or whatever in order to talk with people. It doesn't matter how I take action.

BUT (see I said it was big) I have to take action. No action NO WRITTEN POLICIES. No policies no checks.

I know I've interrupted this idea sling fest with my question. Truth be told, nobody has yet addressed the most important, at least to me, question raised above.

I would bet everyone on this forum has spent 7, 10 or more buckaroos on ebooks, videos, books and other forms of information transfer on the latest greatest idea, venture, program and read it cover to cover. After they read it, they put it in a file with the intent to get back to it in a few days. Howemsoever, that never happened.

So again, how do we as individuals get off our dead ass and take action?


My belief is simple: fast action must bring quick results, albeit, small sums.

Let me use my "apprentices" as examples: I give them 4 months of time, and they need to have a product for sale and a fully fleshed out view from the rooftop, one year from when they start.

BUT, life gets in the way, some start getting busy with other money makers, or family or health, or whatever...so there is that.

But...I want to see SOMETHING for sale in 30 days, 10 days preferably. A HOTSHEET or short report. Something they can sell.

Which means they need a product, (hotsheet/report)
a place to put their sales page (promotion)
a way to take money (most start with paypal)
a way to keep track and contact with customers.

So far, all this can be done for free. Just a little time, and altogether, except for the writing of the hotsheet, but even then, we're looking at 4 hours of time. But take 10.

Then, bring traffic to the sales page (I usually provide initial eyes from here or one of our lists). Make a sale or two and test your "funnel" or system.

Fast and quick. Because, if you can sell one or two, and get some feedback, then you can begin to scale, and from what I've heard over the years, the THRILL of getting that first few bux from something you created, will oft provide the motivation to do more, to get off one's azz and see bigger results.

People just won't work for months without expecting a payout, and in most cases, it doesn't come. But quick, easy, fast RESULTS, with an eye toward a bigger plan, more of, a family of, a funnel or ESCALATOR to bigger profits IS often the motivation to get started. And to keep going.

Chattel for example, start today with a 10 to 25 dollar buy on craigslist and flip it on ebay for a profit, even a few bux, shows you PROOF OF CONCEPT.

Our friend in FL, the fleamarketflipper, worked up to a 6k buy and turned it into a 20k sale, for a sweet 14k profit because HE got off his azz on the little tiny profit deals and EXPERIENCED SOME SUCCESS.

That's my answer, maybe others have a better or different one.

EXPERIENCE QUICK SUCCESS and your lack of starting will fade away.

Gordon (Mr quick, or so she said!)

sandalwood August 8, 2017 11:40 PM

Re: EXCELLENT question...here is one (MY) answer.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonJ (Post 38415)
My belief is simple: fast action must bring quick results, albeit, small sums.

Let me use my "apprentices" as examples: I give them 4 months of time, and they need to have a product for sale and a fully fleshed out view from the rooftop, one year from when they start.

BUT, life gets in the way, some start getting busy with other money makers, or family or health, or whatever...so there is that.

But...I want to see SOMETHING for sale in 30 days, 10 days preferably. A HOTSHEET or short report. Something they can sell.

Which means they need a product, (hotsheet/report)
a place to put their sales page (promotion)
a way to take money (most start with paypal)
a way to keep track and contact with customers.

So far, all this can be done for free. Just a little time, and altogether, except for the writing of the hotsheet, but even then, we're looking at 4 hours of time. But take 10.

Then, bring traffic to the sales page (I usually provide initial eyes from here or one of our lists). Make a sale or two and test your "funnel" or system.

Fast and quick. Because, if you can sell one or two, and get some feedback, then you can begin to scale, and from what I've heard over the years, the THRILL of getting that first few bux from something you created, will oft provide the motivation to do more, to get off one's azz and see bigger results.

People just won't work for months without expecting a payout, and in most cases, it doesn't come. But quick, easy, fast RESULTS, with an eye toward a bigger plan, more of, a family of, a funnel or ESCALATOR to bigger profits IS often the motivation to get started. And to keep going.

Chattel for example, start today with a 10 to 25 dollar buy on craigslist and flip it on ebay for a profit, even a few bux, shows you PROOF OF CONCEPT.

Our friend in FL, the fleamarketflipper, worked up to a 6k buy and turned it into a 20k sale, for a sweet 14k profit because HE got off his azz on the little tiny profit deals and EXPERIENCED SOME SUCCESS.

That's my answer, maybe others have a better or different one.

EXPERIENCE QUICK SUCCESS and your lack of starting will fade away.

Gordon (Mr quick, or so she said!)


I hearsya brudder. However, I think you answered a different question. That's the why should I get off my dead ass and take action question. I couldn't agree with you more. Once I got off my dead ass and started my cold calling regimen, God was I money maker. But what got me off my dead ass?

That sir probably has a unique answer since, that is if we believe, we are all unique. My motivation was to show the boss I could produce like a champ and that he didn't make a mistake in hiring me. I also knew that if I produced like I told myself I could, I'd make a bundle of ole Mr. Scratch. I was a new hire at Dean Witter BTW. I'm not bragging by a long shot. I was only in the top 10%. Some of the guys I knew were in the top 5%.

Moving forward to today. I'm 72 and don't really need to work a day on my shortened horizon. At the same time I just wrote and sent off to the home office another life insurance policy. Can't help myself. Gotstodoit or shrivel up and die.

My take action reasons are of course my own and may not fit anyone else on the forum. However, I did know once I made up my mind only me/yours truly was responsible to take action. I took it. Yeah proving my boss wasn't a jerk in hiring me certainly helped to motivate me BUT (still big) I had to take the action.

Anyway all your stuff is excellent and your experiences seem to parallel some of mine. I don't know if that's a plus or minus but I do know we know action comes only from within.

Enticements and money are nice but there will always be people who won't take a single step forward. I say recognize that and keep putting that one foot in front of the other. It'll work out for at least you or me in my case.


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