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Dien Rice March 7, 2022 07:54 PM

The "big red button"... should we worry?
 
Even though many don't mention it, many are worried... Will Putin push the big red button? He's been threatening to do so...

I've read some heartening news...

I've read that there is no single big red button that Putin (or Biden, for that matter), can push...

Rather, there is a process in place, where multiple people need to accept the orders to launch a nuclear war. This has been in place for many decades now...

There is a claimed letter by a FSB (the successor of the old KGB) agent, where he writes about this...

He says... (Translated into English...)

"To offer further cynicism, I don’t believe that Putin will press the red button to destroy the entire world.

"First, it’s not one person that decides, and someone will refuse. There are lots of people involved in the process and there is no single 'red' button.

"Second, there are certain doubts that it actually functions properly.

"Experience shows that the more transparent the control procedures, the easier it is to identify problems. And where it’s murky as to who controls what and how, but always files reports full of bravado, is where there are always problems.

"I am not sure that the 'red button' system functions according to the declared data. Besides, plutonium fuel must be changed every 10 years."


(See here ... https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...31257225355265 ... If you want to read the whole thing, which is quite long, it's here... https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...01348780199937 )

I've read similar things elsewhere. Hopefully this structure (of needing the approval of multiple people) is still in place in Russia...

Here's proof that many are worried...

Business is booming... for doomsday bunkers! Texas-based company claims sales have spiked '1000%' for units ranging from $40,000 to $8.5M after Russia invaded Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iked-1000.html

While there are risks, and may be some hardship with higher prices, I believe that most of us (on this forum, in the places most of us live) will get out of this fine...

One thing few have mentioned is that Russia is the world's largest exporter of wheat, and Ukraine is the fifth largest.

Sanctions and the war will have a big impact on wheat prices, especially in places like the Middle East... And increasing food prices can lead to revolutions. Many say that the high price of wheat was one of the triggers for the Arab Spring...

In 2010, wild fires decimated Russia's food crops. This led to a big increase in wheat prices in the Middle East (which get most of their wheat from Russia)... And many say that was a big factor leading to the Arab Spring series of protests and revolutions... So surprising follow-on effects like this could lead to further world turmoil...

The Middle East will suffer from the grain shortage due to the war in Ukraine
https://theprint.in/world/the-middle...kraine/861708/

Stay safe!

- Dien

GordonJ March 8, 2022 09:28 AM

Maybe the little GREEN buttons, as in GO, are more worisome?
 
Thanks Dien,

Sure, we as a a world should fear any nuclear bomb, or even a reactor melt down. But the good old BOMB (and they can be very big, or very targeted) these days can do a lot of damage, even more to the psyche.

A modern ground/air war will do immense damage to cities, infrastucture and humans which could last for years. Hopefully, the article is right, and we wouldn't want a CRIMSON TIDE event on our hands, those ballistic missilies underwater give me the nightmares...

But seeing a vibrant modern city destroyed, terrorized and reduced to rubble doesn't require any group to OK the big red button, just one MAN, and this guy, will not Blink LIKE during the Cuba missile crisis...and he has the power to green light ground and air forces to strike.

Glad it takes a village to kill us all, but takes only one village idiot to do a lot of damage.

Gordon


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dien Rice (Post 42741)
Even though many don't mention it, many are worried... Will Putin push the big red button? He's been threatening to do so...

I've read some heartening news...

I've read that there is no single big red button that Putin (or Biden, for that matter), can push...

Rather, there is a process in place, where multiple people need to accept the orders to launch a nuclear war. This has been in place for many decades now...

There is a claimed letter by a FSB (the successor of the old KGB) agent, where he writes about this...

He says... (Translated into English...)

"To offer further cynicism, I donít believe that Putin will press the red button to destroy the entire world.

"First, itís not one person that decides, and someone will refuse. There are lots of people involved in the process and there is no single 'red' button.

"Second, there are certain doubts that it actually functions properly.

"Experience shows that the more transparent the control procedures, the easier it is to identify problems. And where itís murky as to who controls what and how, but always files reports full of bravado, is where there are always problems.

"I am not sure that the 'red button' system functions according to the declared data. Besides, plutonium fuel must be changed every 10 years."


(See here ... https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...31257225355265 ... If you want to read the whole thing, which is quite long, it's here... https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...01348780199937 )

I've read similar things elsewhere. Hopefully this structure (of needing the approval of multiple people) is still in place in Russia...

Here's proof that many are worried...

Business is booming... for doomsday bunkers! Texas-based company claims sales have spiked '1000%' for units ranging from $40,000 to $8.5M after Russia invaded Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iked-1000.html

While there are risks, and may be some hardship with higher prices, I believe that most of us (on this forum, in the places most of us live) will get out of this fine...

One thing few have mentioned is that Russia is the world's largest exporter of wheat, and Ukraine is the fifth largest.

Sanctions and the war will have a big impact on wheat prices, especially in places like the Middle East... And increasing food prices can lead to revolutions. Many say that the high price of wheat was one of the triggers for the Arab Spring...

In 2010, wild fires decimated Russia's food crops. This led to a big increase in wheat prices in the Middle East (which get most of their wheat from Russia)... And many say that was a big factor leading to the Arab Spring series of protests and revolutions... So surprising follow-on effects like this could lead to further world turmoil...

The Middle East will suffer from the grain shortage due to the war in Ukraine
https://theprint.in/world/the-middle...kraine/861708/

Stay safe!

- Dien


GordonJ March 8, 2022 10:34 AM

Life inside the bunker.
 
Not any long term experience in a bunker, BUT, a few 2 month patrols on a nuclear submarine gives me a certain expertise.

Longest was about 75 days. Locked in a submersible bunker. Hopefully, your bunker will be coed, and have your loved ones inside with you.

The pic in the article shows electrical outlets, where is that electricity coming from? Sheesh.

Two and a half months with out fresh air, sunshine, mobility, tight spaces, stench of human beings, let alone any pets you hope to have...well, those bunker pics in the article are pretty, pretty, pretty (in my best Larry David voice) pretty, unlikely.

And food? Again, I have a lot of experience with long shelf life food and cooking and meal prep in a bunker isn't going to be an Olive Garden experience.

Anyhow, it is a good time to be an affiliate of vitamins, emergency gear, etc., etc.

Gordon

Dien Rice March 10, 2022 08:44 AM

Re: Life inside the bunker.
 
Hi Gordon,

Sorry for my slow response, I'm currently in hospital related to diabetic foot problems... I just entered today... (I will probably have to have some surgery...)

Which makes me think, many of us have health issues, which doesn't go well together with bunker living in WWIII...

Hopefully it won't come to that!

Best wishes,

Dien

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonJ (Post 42743)
Not any long term experience in a bunker, BUT, a few 2 month patrols on a nuclear submarine gives me a certain expertise.

Longest was about 75 days. Locked in a submersible bunker. Hopefully, your bunker will be coed, and have your loved ones inside with you.

The pic in the article shows electrical outlets, where is that electricity coming from? Sheesh.

Two and a half months with out fresh air, sunshine, mobility, tight spaces, stench of human beings, let alone any pets you hope to have...well, those bunker pics in the article are pretty, pretty, pretty (in my best Larry David voice) pretty, unlikely.

And food? Again, I have a lot of experience with long shelf life food and cooking and meal prep in a bunker isn't going to be an Olive Garden experience.

Anyhow, it is a good time to be an affiliate of vitamins, emergency gear, etc., etc.

Gordon


GordonJ March 10, 2022 09:44 AM

So sorry to hear about your feet.
 
I'm sure you know this, but neuropathy is heridetary, check your family tree.

But DIABETES has to be a slow and silent killer, I wish you well and hope it is minor and you'll be back up and running (literally) very soon. Take care.

Gordon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dien Rice (Post 42744)
Hi Gordon,

Sorry for my slow response, I'm currently in hospital related to diabetic foot problems... I just entered today... (I will probably have to have some surgery...)

Which makes me think, many of us have health issues, which doesn't go well together with bunker living in WWIII...

Hopefully it won't come to that!

Best wishes,

Dien


AnnaTillett71 March 11, 2022 05:06 AM

Re: The "big red button"... should we worry?
 
I'm sorry for your foot. I'm also a diabetic and know that this can happen. Hopefully you will recover asap.

Going to the subject - I don't really see the reasoning for using this 'red button'. Russia already is in a bad state and they are barely doing anything forward in Ukraine. I hope this madness will end sooner than later.



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MMacGillivray March 11, 2022 07:07 AM

Re: The "big red button"... should we worry?
 
Hi, Dien - sorry to hear about your foot problems; here's wishing you a speedy recovery!
Best
Margaret

Dien Rice March 13, 2022 06:08 PM

Re: So sorry to hear about your feet.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonJ (Post 42745)
I'm sure you know this, but neuropathy is heridetary, check your family tree.

But DIABETES has to be a slow and silent killer, I wish you well and hope it is minor and you'll be back up and running (literally) very soon. Take care.

Thanks Gordon!

I'm still in hospital, getting antibiotics to kill the infection in my foot (possible surgery to come)...

This is my first hospital stay ever, and while I'd rather not need to be here, I think I'm getting good care... :)

When I entered hospital, I had a lot of pain in my foot, which has pretty much disappeared now, which is probably a good thing! :)

Best wishes,

Dien

Dien Rice March 13, 2022 06:12 PM

Re: The "big red button"... should we worry?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnaTillett71 (Post 42747)
I'm sorry for your foot. I'm also a diabetic and know that this can happen. Hopefully you will recover asap.

Thanks Anna, I appreciate your well-wishes!

Diabetes can be a very insidious illness...

Quote:

Going to the subject - I don't really see the reasoning for using this 'red button'. Russia already is in a bad state and they are barely doing anything forward in Ukraine. I hope this madness will end sooner than later.
Me too... Although I'm not in Europe, it's a worry for the whole planet.

I think there's no doubt that Putin is an evil human being...

Best wishes (and stay safe),

Dien

Dien Rice March 13, 2022 06:16 PM

Re: The "big red button"... should we worry?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MMacGillivray (Post 42749)
Hi, Dien - sorry to hear about your foot problems; here's wishing you a speedy recovery!
Best
Margaret

Thank you Margaret, I really appreciate it!

I like to count my blessings...

I'm sharing a room with a lady who is also diabetic, but had to have her leg amputated at the knee. My situation is not as bad as that... Yet she has such a good attitude about it, she's grateful for her family and her 30 nieces and nephews (not a typo)...

Gotta go... Nurse is here to take some blood!

Best wishes,

Dien


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