SECRETS OF THE BIG DOGS????
 

DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM? I'M HAVING TROUBLE FINDING OUT IF ANYBODY HAS HAD SUCCESS WITH IT OR IF THEY ARE STABLE. THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE! KIT

Re: SECRETS OF THE BIG DOGS????
 

> DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS
> PROGRAM? I'M HAVING TROUBLE FINDING OUT IF
> ANYBODY HAS HAD SUCCESS WITH IT OR IF THEY
> ARE STABLE. THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE! KIT

Hi Kit,

I haven't read this particular ebook, so I can't comment on it directly.... But here's what I do personally if I'm considering a purchase.

One of the things I do is try to find out about the author. Have they "walked the walk"? That is, are they experienced in what they are teaching about?

I think the biggest danger is not LACK of knowledge, but there's something worse. And that's WRONG knowledge!

Having incorrect knowledge can be worse because with lack of knowledge, usually you KNOW that you lack the knowledge. But if you have "wrong" knowledge, you THINK you know something, but in reality you don't!

So I like to learn from those who clearly DO know what they are talking about.... :)

Certain people give information I trust, because of their years of experience.... People like Gordon Alexander, Jim Straw, Don Alm, Gary Halbert, Bill Myers, Michael Ross, Jesse Horowitz, and many others too.... They CLEARLY speak from years of successful experience. I trust what they say.... :)

Now, I don't know much about "Secrets of the Big Dogs," but the first thing I'd try to find out is what is Stan Stuchinski's experience? (He's the author.) That's what I'd try to find out first....

- Dien Rice

Re: SECRETS OF THE BIG DOGS????
 

Hi Kit,

I purchased Secrets of the Big Dogs in the first few weeks of it starting. The ebook encourages you to participate in an MLM scheme. The principle is that you join a number of different programs linked mainly to FFA pages, all providing a potential residual income, and promote them by selling the book.

The ebook is web based and contains your affiliate links to all the programs featured.

The 'secret' is supposed to be that the 'big dogs' are making money hosting FFA sites rather than using other marketing methods.

It is possible to make money on the programme, but like anything else it's not easy unless you're prepared to stick with it for the long haul and work your nuts off. Don't be misled by the hour a day claims. Any online business person will tell you that's pure fantasy.

The downside is that every man and his big dog seem to be promoting this product at the moment. I've seen some ezines carry as many as 3 classifieds for the same thing in the same issue. Some ezines won't even accept ads for it anymore.

To make it work you either need a large group of friends and associates, some creative marketing ideas, or deep pockets to pay for targeted solo and banner ads.

If you have any more questions just drop me a line.

Jeff McCall
editor of Success Lines
[email protected]

But how do you really know... ?
 

The big problem on the internet is:

How do you REALLY know if someone is making money, or they're just SAYING that they're making money.

Or they are greatly exagerating it.

As a recent conversation with Ron Ruiz illuminated, most of the people who are really making money aren't in such a hurry to "share" their secrets.

I used to be much more forthcoming about the marketing tests I've run. But every time I would, there'd be a host of copycat sites (as well as overt and blatant plagarism) that would pop up.

One even cost me $400 and half a day's work, to hire a copyright infringement lawyer.

So, I would be double circumspect about anyone who's claiming to teach you how to make money. A lot of the advice sounds logical, but upon further investigation you'll usually find that the nuts and bolts are missing.

- Advocate to the Devil.


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Re: SECRETS OF THE BIG DOGS????
 

I thought that FFA programs were considered passe several years ago and that even the big marketers were saying you didn't make money with them??

> The ebook
> encourages you to participate in an MLM
> scheme. The principle is that you join a
> number of different programs linked mainly
> to FFA pages, all providing a potential
> residual income, and promote them by selling
> the book.

If those are programs that have his affiliate number in them, I'd bet HE is making money.

> The 'secret' is supposed to be that the 'big
> dogs' are making money hosting FFA sites
> rather than using other marketing methods.

That makes me skeptical. I know that the non-MLM industries are tending to do offline promotions to go along with online work, and the MLM-ers seem to be doing cold calling and personal contact (and hovering around places where people are being laid off.)

I could be wrong. Anyone have a different opinion on ad trends in the different inductries today?

Direct-Response Marketing on the Internet....
 

Hi Adam,

I agree with you.... Actually, since we started Sowpub last year, it's like my eyes have been opened....

As you may know, I was involved with the online marketing community in a smaller way before that, through my Entrepreneur-Web site, which I was doing part time as I was also working in physics....

With Sowpub, however, and working with Gordon, I've had a much higher profile. Anyhow, I've had some great discussions with other online marketers.... And this is the kind of thing I've discovered too.

There are those who claim to be making lots of money, who aren't. And, the flip side of that, is that there are those who are making a lot of money, but who are relatively low-key about it -- probably because they don't want imitators.

It's also been a revelation for me too, in the different types of information.... In the world of science, for example, people are generally quite open with information. The whole goal is to be the first to *publish* a result, since if you publish a scientific result first, you get the credit. However, of course, in business the goal is to make a profit. If you are completely open with HOW you are making money, you'll find many people imitating you which could cut into your profits.

So information doesn't flow as freely in the business world.... Good "how-to" information is often harder to come by.

The BEST approach to learn, in my opinion, is to get a mentor. You can pay for one, for example. Another approach is to offer to work with someone for free for a time -- they might take up your offer, and it's "win/win". How you will win is you'll see how they work and what they do, which can be priceless knowledge.

I've never tried this, but for general business know-how in the USA there's also SCORE -- www.score.org . These are retired executives and entrepreneurs, who are happy to give those just starting out a hand.

I've found most of the information online is quite basic stuff.... But there are some exceptions.

I've bought several of Jim Straw's reports, and I think they're excellent -- real "nuts and bolts" stuff, though they're for "real world" based businesses, rather than internet businesses.

Gordon Alexander's "Chattel Report" really works -- I trade chattel based on Gordon's system -- but again, it is real-world based, though it is adaptable to the internet and especially online auctions. See www.sowpub.com/chattelreport.shtml to find out where to get it.

Michael Ross has some of the best business writings I've seen, packed with great information, though these are (again) more real-world based. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~miros/

I recently got a LOT of back issues of the Gary Halbert Letter, which I'm enjoying reading through. You can read a lot of them for free at www.thegaryhalbertletter.com , but it's not a complete collection of them.

You can get Jay Abraham's "Stealth Marketing" for free at www.freemarketingbook.com .

I still need to get more of Bill Myers' materials, but I know a lot of people think very highly of him.

(I don't profit by mentioning any of the above materials....)

But I agree with you, Adam.... You can't necessarily believe what people say about themselves (some people exaggerate the truth). I tend to go by the recommendations of people I trust....

In summary, are people making money online? YES. Are these necessarily the people who make a big deal about making money online? NO. Many of those who (to my knowledge) are doing the BEST online are quite low-key about it....

I see the internet as the ultimate direct-response medium. However, every new direct-response medium has its own specific techniques. The BASIC technique is the same, but the specifics may be different.... For example, with the advent of direct-response TV, they developed the specific technique of the "infomercial". The internet also has its specific techniques too.... But I think that the essential principles are probably the same as any other type of direct-response marketing....

Any comments on this? I think this could be an interesting topic.... :)

- Dien Rice

Re: But how do you really know... ?
 

Adam --

The opinion you expressed here was right on. It also makes it difficult to know what to listen to and not. I do remember when you were being more open with your tests. My personal feeling is that the folks making the real money are keeping it very quiet. As well they should.

But that brings up the whole "guru" element where business is tied to a personality. If you have that it's hard to steal/copy. On the other hand if you have that it makes it more difficult to seperate yourself from the business when the time comes.

Good to see you around.

-- Dan Butler
The Naked PC

> The big problem on the internet is:

> How do you REALLY know if someone is making
> money, or they're just SAYING that they're
> making money.

> Or they are greatly exagerating it.

> As a recent conversation with Ron Ruiz
> illuminated, most of the people who are
> really making money aren't in such a hurry
> to "share" their secrets.

> I used to be much more forthcoming about the
> marketing tests I've run. But every time I
> would, there'd be a host of copycat sites
> (as well as overt and blatant plagarism)
> that would pop up.

> One even cost me $400 and half a day's work,
> to hire a copyright infringement lawyer.

> So, I would be double circumspect about
> anyone who's claiming to teach you how to
> make money. A lot of the advice sounds
> logical, but upon further investigation
> you'll usually find that the nuts and bolts
> are missing.

> - Advocate to the Devil.




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