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Taylor Trump April 26, 2002 11:51 AM

Hi Gordon...
 
Being an African-American I am familiar with this term and especially it's connotations for minorities.

I don't consider myself a minority and attempt to disassociate myself with such terms. To me, they only lead to non-self-actualizing behaviors and attitudes.

As far as their being a glass ceiling I don't think there is even in life. There is only the perception of a glass ceiling, of limitations.

My reasoning (reason-why) I feel this way is because of what I have seen others accomplish on the Net as well as my understanding of how the Net can work for us all.

Why it doesn't work for us all, well, there are varying reasons. But I imagine the main reasons is due to our own limiting beliefs, first and foremost.

I know for myself, my goals have been put on hold several times but this does not stop me, just slows me down.

Our imaginations stop us. We imagine the worst...we get it!

Recently, I ws talking to a dear and close friend suffering through a very dramatic trial. She was telling me about her prayers to God. When she was done I asked her why she prayed the way she did. "Why do you ask for so much when you pray", was the question put to her.

Her response was that she wanted God to answer her prayers.

"How will you know when they get answered, then," I asked her.

She didn't have an answer for me. My point to her was this, cease praying for that which you already possess.

You pray and request not out of not having but out of ignorance. The perception of not having. Pray a prayer of gratitude first...then listen to your own prayer and you will find that you already possess that which you are praying for.

When you pray a prayer of constantly requesting anything you are telling your mind that you do not possess whatever it is you are praying for.

How this fits in with the 'glass ceiling' is that too may Netprenuers are seeking/looking for ways to be successful but cannot define what success is to them. Therefore they ask questions telling themselves subconsciously that they are lacking this single thing which is holding them back from realizing their dreams.

These same individuals go on seeking and never finding, choosing instead to wait until they have ALL the answers. Thus they create their own 'glass ceiling'. It is a perception they created out of their not knowing nor understanding themselves and their abilities.

Gordon, I could continue but I am just trying to express a point of view. I know it is somewhat esoteric and convoluted but I did my best to explain it the way I know and understand.

Taylor

> Ladies, a question:

> Five years ago...what were you doing
> on-line?

> One lady is still struggling trying to find
> her place while working a job she still
> hates.

> One lady has come on the Net (Monique
> Harris) made a small fortune and moved on.

> One lady (Linda Caroll) has established
> herself as one of the top web site designers
> on-line.

> Where do you fit in?

> The question is:

> IS there a glass ceiling on the Internet?
> OR...is it the level playing field that all
> of us "small potatoes"
> work-from-home Entrepreneurs have always
> dreamed of?

> Will Women Rule?

> Your opinions are valued, thanks for any
> input or discussion you may have on this
> subject.

> Gordon Alexander

Michael Ross April 26, 2002 05:37 PM

Couple of questions for you Taylor (and Americans in general)...
 
> Being an African-American I am familiar with
> this term and especially it's connotations
> for minorities.

> I don't consider myself a minority and
> attempt to disassociate myself with such
> terms. To me, they only lead to
> non-self-actualizing behaviors and
> attitudes.

Taylor,

First, I was born and raised in a land that does not - at least until very recently when a newsreader called someone a Chinese-Australian - add heritage/race onto nationality, I don't understand it.

WHY do you call yourself an African-American? (and why do any and all races and nationalities feel the need to do the same - Irish-American, Asian-American, etc.)

And, when do you decide to use a race-specific add-on as opposed to a more country-specific add-on?

For example: Asian-American vs Japanese-American.

(I've never heard anyone call themselves a European-American)

To my simple Australian mind, if you are born in a country that country is your nationality. So if you are born in the USA you are an American. Plain & simple.

If you are born elsewhere and migrate to American, you are the nationality of the place you were born UNTIIL you revoke that and change your citizenship. So if you are Japanese and migrate to the USA, you remain Japanese until you become an American citizen - taking the oath and all that is required.

At what point does this self-labeling end? How many mixed generations does it take before someone decides they are no longer a part of their label? Half cast? Quarter cast? One eight cast. One sixteenth cast?

Does it extend to states? Could I be a Texan-Californian? HA!

And what does the child of an African-American and an Asian-American call themselves? African-Asian-American? And what if that child marries an Irish-American (Irish-African-Asian-American)?

And with such a push to NOT be placed (lumped) into groups, WHY do it yourself by adding these labels?

If I migrated to America, would I be called an Australian-American?

And doesn't this self-labeling keep you a 'minority' in your own mind?

I ask these questions because I truly don't understand this. It baffles me. I have asked before, but no one was actually able to answer WHY hyphenated nationality/race terminology is used. Perhaps, this time, someone can educate me about this American 'habit' I don't understand.

Respectfully,

Michael Ross.

Dan April 27, 2002 05:40 AM

Re: Couple of questions for you Taylor (and Americans in general)...
 
Hi Mike

You bring out a very interesting thing that happnes here in America.. I happen to agree if your born in the uSA then your an american..

I often wonder about that myself. although I just saw a recent commercial I think it was for a charity where people from differnt races say.. I'm an american... this slight shift in pychology has occurred in my opinion right after the 9/11 event.

Danny

Taylor Trump April 29, 2002 10:08 AM

Mike...
 
I read your post right after you posted it but wanted to think about what you were asking before I responded.

> Taylor,

> First, I was born and raised in a land that
> does not - at least until very recently when
> a newsreader called someone a
> Chinese-Australian - add heritage/race onto
> nationality, I don't understand it.

> WHY do you call yourself an
> African-American? (and why do any and all
> races and nationalities feel the need to do
> the same - Irish-American, Asian-American,
> etc.)

Hmmmmmm...here in the US everything is known by a lable-unfortunately. Everything you fill out asks questoins pertaining to one's race, and sometimes oyur religion too. You become conditioned to speaking of yourself and even seeing yourself as this label applies.

> And, when do you decide to use a
> race-specific add-on as opposed to a more
> country-specific add-on?

Excellent question...I don't have an answer for it though.

> For example: Asian-American vs
> Japanese-American.

> (I've never heard anyone call themselves a
> European-American)

> To my simple Australian mind, if you are
> born in a country that country is your
> nationality. So if you are born in the USA
> you are an American. Plain & simple.

I agree, but here it gets further defined.

> If you are born elsewhere and migrate to
> American, you are the nationality of the
> place you were born UNTIIL you revoke that
> and change your citizenship. So if you are
> Japanese and migrate to the USA, you remain
> Japanese until you become an American
> citizen - taking the oath and all that is
> required.

> At what point does this self-labeling end?
> How many mixed generations does it take
> before someone decides they are no longer a
> part of their label? Half cast? Quarter
> cast? One eight cast. One sixteenth cast?

Well, for me it ends today, thanks to you. I am going to try to make every effort to simply be a human being.

> Does it extend to states? Could I be a
> Texan-Californian? HA!

> And what does the child of an
> African-American and an Asian-American call
> themselves? African-Asian-American? And what
> if that child marries an Irish-American
> (Irish-African-Asian-American)?

> And with such a push to NOT be placed
> (lumped) into groups, WHY do it yourself by
> adding these labels?

Because of my ignorance.

> If I migrated to America, would I be called
> an Australian-American?

Nope, you would be called a foreigner.

> And doesn't this self-labeling keep you a
> 'minority' in your own mind?

Actually, I have never felt like a minority because of the world scene.

Respectfully Too,

Taylor Trump

> I ask these questions because I truly don't
> understand this. It baffles me. I have asked
> before, but no one was actually able to
> answer WHY hyphenated nationality/race
> terminology is used. Perhaps, this time,
> someone can educate me about this American
> 'habit' I don't understand.

> Respectfully,

> Michael Ross.




How Much Money Could YOU Have Made With This Information?

Michael Ross April 30, 2002 08:04 AM

Thanks for your answers (DNO)
 


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