Adam -

> I still can't understand why you bash Reed's
> arguments?

I'm *not* bashing Reed's arguments. Quite frankly, as I said in my previous post, I don't know if they're valid or not since I haven't researched them. I'm questioning his motives.

> Who cares what his motivations are, if his
> arguments hold water???

I care. I think it's wrong for him to sit there appearing as some self-acclaimed, self-righteous bag of wind spouting how bad everyone else is when the truth of the matter is, it appears he really wants to sell his own material. For me, it comes under the heading of something I learned in grammar school. "Don't tear others down just to make yourself look good." Now maybe, in reality, Reed is a nice guy but he doesn't come off looking that way to me.

> As for Robert Allen and Legrand... I have
> nothing against charging exhorbitant fees if
> you're delivering something that no one else
> in the market is delivering and if what
> you're teaching is on the up and up.

I have found *nothing* in either one of their teachings that indicate they are *not* on the up and up. When they started they were pretty much the only games in town. Believe me, I think the price of the information from most of these guys is *waaaaay* too high. But we (me included) are still buying it. This stuff (real estate investing, info marketing, etc.) must be selling like hot cakes because they keep coming out with more of it.

> But when there are many other players in the
> field offering better products at cheaper
> prices

Being an info junkie myself, (Ask Gordon. He's seen my bookshelves. (g) ), I'd be more than happy to hear about other players offering better products at cheaper prices. I'm serious. I know who most (if not all) of the RE info marketers are but I would be interested to see which ones you know about in case I missed some. For one, I think Pete Egeler has an interesting idea with FSBOs and I'd like to learn more about it.

> then basically what you're left with
> is somebody who takes advantage of the
> newbie and the inexperienced.

I disagree with you on this one. While LeGrand does get plenty of newbies into his pipeline, I know of *many* full time RE investors who are doing quite well who own everything he produces, have gone to every one of his seminars, etc. He has a number of items that go *well* beyond the newbie level. And as you can well imagine, the cost of this goes into the *tens of thousands*.
Is someone taken advantage of if they buy the material, put it to work, and profit from it? Not IMO.

On a different note, I took a look at your RE site. I liked what I saw. Just out of curiosity, if you wouldn't mind telling me, which RE "guru" (so to speak) was/is your mentor?

Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"