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Old August 22, 2008, 05:04 AM
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Default I'm Beached Bro. Beached As...

Kiwis. Not the bird from New Zealand. But the colloquial term for people who come from New Zealand.

Anyway. As they flock over to Australia in droves, they bring some of their phraseology with them. Choice. Sweet. Chee Bro. Bro.

They are renowned for replacing the "I" in words with something that sounds like a "U". So "six" becomes something close to "sux" but with a shortened "u" sound. Chip, becomes chup, with a short U.

Came across this funny video of a cartoon beached whale talking to a seagull. All in New Zealandish. Enjoy... (goes for one minute forty)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA

Michael Ross
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Old August 22, 2008, 01:42 PM
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Just curious Michael.

Why is everyone leaving New Zealand to get to Austraila?

Fred
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Old August 22, 2008, 02:40 PM
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Not to answer for Michael...

But here's my quick guess...

Land of opportunity...

Things always look greener on the other side... Right?
http://archive.gulfnews.com/gnfocus/.../10216506.html

Phil

Last edited by Phil : August 22, 2008 at 02:43 PM. Reason: additional info
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Old August 22, 2008, 04:13 PM
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Default Would the last person leaving New Zealand turn off the lights...

Fred,

Thanks for asking.

Short answer?

Money, Bro.

Even though NZ is a different country, the Kiwis are allowed to fly on over and get work, buy land, etc., without any kind of special visas. Almost like NZ is just another State of Aust. Aussies can do likewise with NZ.

A Lot of scaffolders are Maori - native NZers (pronounced mow-ree, and that's mow as in cow). Probably because of the physical strength needed. There is a joke... why hasn't NZ landed anyone on the moon? Because there's not enough scaffold in the world to go that high.

Anyway. Speaking with a Scaffolder he said... back in NZ he was getting like $9 an hour (which doesn't mean much if you don't know their cost of living, right). But when he came over to Aust, he walked straight into a $20 an hour scaffold job. Now he gets even more.

In essence, the NZ economy is borderline socialist. A welfare mentality by its leaders. Wages are low, taxes and living costs are high.

Quick example... Petrol (gasoline) is around $2 a liter while in Aust it's dropped down from around $1.60 to around $1.45 a liter. NZ prices found here http://www.pricewatch.co.nz/

So they earn $9 an hour while gas costs $2 a liter, while in Oz they earn $20 an hour with gas at $1.45 a liter.

Here's a website with other NZ costs http://www.backpack-newzealand.com/costs.html - higher than in Oz

You can compare car prices in NZ here http://www.autotrader.co.nz/ and in Oz here http://carsguide.news.com.au/ - prices in some areas are higher in NZ or pretty close to Oz prices. But considering people in Oz earn more money, it's effectively cheaper to live in Oz.

Understand also, that NZ really only has around 4 million people. Much of their wool industry - I've been told - has fallen by the way side. And even their meat business closes down plants. While Oz's population is around 20.6 million. And even though the NZ unemployment rate is supposedly low at 3.8%, I've been told they have problems with Cheap Labor coming in from outer lying islands - think USA and Mexico.

In essence, the old Oz saying... Aust, the land of opportunity (which the article Phil linked to uses as its headline)... is how NZers see it.

And, depending on where in Oz they moved to... the weather is warmer. From cold and windy Wellington on the southern tip of NZs north island, to sunny and warm Brisbane or Gold Cost on Oz.

Most of the Kiwis I speak to will Never go back. Some will go back to visit family. Some plan to go back to retire in 40 years - homes are cheaper to buy. But most are here to stay - even the Maoris.

Michael Ross
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Old August 23, 2008, 12:44 AM
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I used to live in NZ when I was very young. Me and my sister had a great time as my father worked for the local hospital in a very small rural town in central North Island and we had lots of freedom. We lived at one end of a field and we each had horses.

I used to go to Google and try to locate the town every so often but usually there was no satellite images at any good resolution. Yesterday I tried again and Google must have updated their maps because there is very high resolution of my little town.

And you know what? Nothing has changed. In 30+ years I can see the three little houses the hospital gave to its doctors at one end of a field. I see my school yard and the field where we played rugby.

There used to be an abandoned tennis court that was overgrown with vegetation. And it is still there!

I can't see any new buildings or any ones that are missing. It's like stepping back into your childhood as if it had not changed.

Now I live in a very busy city where every week there is a new highrise coming up. It's not the same.

I agree that NZ is a more socialist country than OZ and people would do better to move to OZ. But there is something about NZ and I have to get back to see it again very soon.

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Old August 23, 2008, 01:14 AM
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Default More New Zealand accents here!

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Came across this funny video of a cartoon beached whale talking to a seagull. All in New Zealandish. Enjoy... (goes for one minute forty)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA
Hi Michael,

Thanks for that funny video of "New Ziland"-speak!

To hear more great New Zealand accents, watch the show "Flight of the Conchords"! I'm sure many here have seen it - it was a big hit in the US on HBO... You can also see episodes on YouTube. They also have fun with the "rivalry" between Australia and New Zealand too...

Here's a clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DaXFes_REg

And here are a couple of what I think are their most entertaining songs...

Most Beautiful Girl In The Room - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDTSQtK20c

Business Time - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU

- Dien

Last edited by Dien Rice : August 23, 2008 at 01:26 AM. Reason: Me fix grammatical error
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Old August 23, 2008, 06:29 AM
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Default Michael - have the droves of Irish tradesmen turned up in Oz yet???

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In essence, the old Oz saying... Aust, the land of opportunity (which the article Phil linked to uses as its headline)... is how NZers see it.
Michael Ross


Hi,

I'm an Irishman living in the UK, but the last time I was back in Ireland (3 weeks ago) the recession was in full swing. There are predictions of at least 50,000 people being out of work in the construction industry alone.

The plan for most of them seems to be... move to Australia.

Apparently lots have already done this, but they have a six-month wait on their visa and getting their trade cards (plumbers, electricians, etc).

Have you noticed much of an upturn??? And is there enough work there for them all???

Cheers,

Garrett
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Old August 23, 2008, 05:44 PM
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Garrett,

Thanks for asking about Irish Folk.

Kenny Constructions in Brisbane, seems to hire Only Irish blokes. So visit a site where they are doing the formwork and, yes, they seem to be everywhere.

There have been a few turn up in the crane business. But, for the banksmen and crane ops to get licensed in Oz - to have their Irish tickets recognized - they do need to be re-assessed. So they both need to learn to control a crane with Whistle signals (something not done in Ireland) and hand signals and via radio - using words used in Oz and not "head up/down" or "chains up/down" as used in Ireland.

I've seen Irish in Demolition. Plumbing & Roofing. Electricians. Formwork - chippies and labour. And as Foremen on sites. And don't mind working with them as they are unpretentious.

As for being enough work. I cannot say about other states, just what I know around my neck of the woods. And in that case... people are coming in from two states away (1,800 km, 1,100 ml) and even further (like the other side of the country)! I see tilers from Korea, Wall Setters from China (can't hardly speak three words of English - which is dangerous in construction. And was proved as so very recently when some Asian tilers took counterweights off a swinging stage's counter-balance to put on tiles - while the stage was over the edge of the building. Causing the stage to plummet 20 floors to the ground killing the two guys in the stage).

As for being enough work for them All. I cannot say. I don't know how many are coming. But I do know, locally, what with the two tunnel projects, major bridge project, roadworks, dams, dam upgrades, power stations and so on, just in my state, Queensland, alone, there is Plenty of construction work for at least a decade, even two decades. A lot of work has even been held back because there's not enough guys available to do it all.

Factor in the work throughout Western Australia, the 1,200 man camp in just one project in South Australia, and others too numerous to mention, and things aren't slowing down here any time soon. And doesn't include the normal building game - building buildings, like residential and residential and commercial highrise.

Now about Moving here - for good or other. I don't know because I haven't checked with the rules of the system before writing this - But - if you apply to Migrate, I can understand a long waiting time for a Visa. However, I don't think there would be such a long wait time for a Backpacker's type deal, with a general 12 month Holiday Visa + Work Permit (as a labourer so no need to double check Tickets). A a basic 90 day or 30 day Holiday Visa in which time you Look for work - line work up while over here - and then, while here, apply to Upgrade the Visa due to having found work (don't actually Do work on the Holiday Visa unless you also have a Work Permit, otherwise you could be banned from entering the country for three years).

Sure, coming here on a short trip to line something up could mean two trips. Or a basic work permit might mean you cannot do your trade Until your tickets are cleared and could still mean a trip back to Ireland and then re-entry into Australia - because of silly Rules. But it could speed up the time it takes to get over here. Because it'd have to be quicker to find something while here, then to try to find it from abroad without local knowledge or contacts, on the Promise to the Migration Authorities that you'll find something.

Meaning, *I* think it's easier and faster to get here under Any Visa - then - line something up while you are here, than to try to do everything from afar. Of course, the same would apply to any country you might want to move to - go there on a holiday visa and do your lining up while on the Holiday Visa. And would also apply to finding work in another state - go there on holiday and find work while on holiday.

Oh, with work permits and holiday visas from abroad... last time I looked they were granted if you were under 30 years of age. Over 30 and they were more stringent because they believe... a person under 30 is on vacation while a person over 30 would most likely be looking to settle. Another reason while a holiday to line something up can help speed the process - as well as get you a feel for the area before making a larger commitment.

Michael Ross
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Old August 23, 2008, 06:09 PM
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Go to the website http://www.careerone.com.au and do a search.

Just visiting the site shows you a Run Down List of Available Jobs.

But understand, these aren't all jobs that are Truly available or which can be had.

For example. The Co I work for recently added some new guys. About four in the last couple of weeks. One of them a 56 year young fellow. Who told me, he'd been trying to get work where he lives - a 1.5+ drive north of the city. But kept getting all kinds of Reasons why he couldn't be hired. As he told me the Reasons I could see the Real reason was... age-ism. He's deemed too old.

Of course, you cannot tell someone that because it's Age Discrimination. So they give other BS reasons.

Anyway. Our Co Never advertises. So all the new guys were guys who called in off the street. Or like this guy... made a phone call.

If you look through Career One for all kinds of things like Drivers, Forklift, Labour, etc., you'll see Plenty of work. Excavator Cos have a hard time finding people. One transport co I know just leaves a sign on their fence "drivers wanted".

The Co I mentioned before, Kenny Constructions, never advertisers and gets their guys through word of mouth.

Anyway. For those interested, check out Career One. It's an interesting Research Tool.

Michael Ross
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Old August 24, 2008, 03:54 PM
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Hi Michael,

Thanks for that incredibly detailed and informative post.

I've sent the link (of this thread) to a couple of mates who are thinking of moving to Oz. I think that a lot of people thought they could just turn up at Melbourne airport, head for nearest site, and hey presto! back in work.

The reality is a little different though.

Thanks again for the info.

Garrett
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