On the other hand....
 

Hi Mike,

> Certainly having an IQ
> in the Nth percentile isn't a very
> persuasive argument to solidifying a point
> you're trying to make.

I think in Jim's defence he was referring to unbelievable claims of profits which are made in *SOME* MLM promotions, and the fact that you can calculate that many of these claims can't be true.... So in this context perhaps mentioning his mathematical abilities (and the fact he was a Math major) could be relevant....

> I personally know of highly educated people
> with Phd's in Business and Marketing who
> have failed miserably in both business and
> marketing. An educational flaw or
> shortcoming??? No.

I agree, Lee Iacocca never even went to high school yet he was a great success....

However, I don't think Jim was implying that, since he was specifically referring to his calculating abilities in the context of unbelievable profit claims from *some* MLM ads.... In that context I thought they were relavant....

Cross-posted articles.... I personally have no problem with them, as long as they are offering something of value.... And Jim Straw's posts certainly do that. Some of his articles are fantastic, I personally hope that he continues to post them....

Like I've said before, it's okay to agree to disagree.... Nobody should take it personally, and it's possible that my view could be totally "wrong"....

Cheers,

Dien

Someones ability to ''Calculate'' or cipher... Still doesn't make them correct.
 

Dien ~

Some of NASA's leading scientists have the ability to add, subtract, multiply and divide. And they too have been in error on many, many occasions.

The ability to "calculate" has no bearing unless you're counting cards at the gaming table. Because at this point, you are still dealing in mathematical circumstances of probability and the "odds" of certain cards coming into play. Or falling in a particular sequence.

His words were of his own choosing, "distasteful" and a few others select adjectives. All pertaining to an opinion not a factual statement. Simply put Jim has his own subjective viewpoints on MLM. Richard has his.

Too imply you have the ability to derive a sum from a few numbers, or are a member of Mensa, in no way provides a basis for a solid argument Dien.

I wasn't implying Jim couldn't add or subtract, nor his outcomes were right or wrong. I was plainly stating his reference to Academia, IQ percentiles and Mensa, were not an issue. Nor was it applicable.

On my work table there is a $1.25 LCD calculator which can outperform the majority of mensa members as far as simple mathematics are concerned.

The PC I'm currently on has software programs and the ability to blow away most high IQ individuals. So I too, have access to high-end calculations which could include Matrixes and Algorithms! But I don't toss them about to substantiate an opinion.

Within hours I could develop a Visual Basic program that would surpass an individual in the ability to run through a series of What If scenarios and spit out the proper answers. With If Then Statements and the use of Select Case.

But my views or opinions are still that... Just one person's opinion. Being able to add doesn't make my opinion stand above Richards. Or Richards above mine.

So back to the "original" hand... The abilities to "calculate", your IQ percentile, or the fact you belong to Mensa are in actuallity, a non-issue.

To bring them into play, is only to reinforce an opinion. I never stated Jims calculating abilities, or calculations, were in error.

Just because I have won many awards, trips, and bonuses within the sales profession. Or finished in the top 5 (actually 3rd) of over 250 other "sales professionals" in our region in my first year with one company. Doesn't make my opinions or viewpoints on sales any more valid then someone elses opinion.

Other than this post, in over 4 years of posting on the 'net, I've never stated the above fact. Even though I have been challenged numerous times on the techniques of Sales and Marketing.

I don't need to brag or pontificate. I don't need to write articles for the AMA Journal or trade rags to be acknowledged. I don't need to cross post articles to many Forums either.

Do I need to be able to add, subtract, sell, market or be a member of Mensa to have an opinion? No.

Do I need to state my accomplishments or achievements to have an opinion? No.

Do I need to prove myself or my opinions by doing such? No.

Can I construct a solid argument by using facts and logic to substantiate my position? Certainly I can, and do.

Just as Jim took a viewpoint, so have I. Many times my stands are not in line with the others. Which is fine.

You enjoy his cross-postings... I and others consider it Spam. Why not just mass mail it to hundreds of thousands of people who have at one time posted on a marketing board because it's "useful"? Because it would still be considered Spam.

Maybe the next level of 'netiquette' will evolve from Usolicited Commercial E-mails, to the unsolicitated posting of unasked for self-promoting articles.

Recall also Dien, at one time the "Educated" men of the world claculated that the Earth was not only flat... But the sun revolved around the Earth.

So much for using IQ as an argument.

~ Mike

You misunderstood me ...
 

I mentioned my IQ ... and Math background ... only to defray the usual voodoo mathematics used by the MLM con-men to justify their matrixes.

Most of the Mensans I know are pumping gas because ... according to them ... personnel managers won't hire them in fear of losing their own jobs to them.

As I said in my article, I did make a lot of money in MLM ... although I was never involved in getting distributors.

If a MLM company has a viable product, at a competitive price, sell it.-- Sell the product; not the opportunity. -- Your satisfied customers will become distributors on their own and really make you money. (The last time I sold a MLM product, my monthly commissions averaged $20,000.)

But, if you cannot sell the product without selling the opportunity, don't touch the opportunity with a 10-foot pole.

Jim


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Re my prior post: IGNORE!
 

why do I say this?

If you took the RH and did your pictogrigm
as I have been doing, the suggestion is
FAULTY...
sorry..