Re: Some generalities...I don't think so...

I wouldn't say your post is "some generalities"
but thought provoking...
Now you mentioned some deep things:
a) we only have so much time
b)3 hr workdays 4 days a week
c)doing what you love takes on a different
meaning when it becomes "work'
d) computer work eliminating the "rejection"
issues

I agree with these points and I would imagine
most people would; now what kinds of online
businesses would cover these 4 points. The
"internet marketers" out there vary from saying
it can be "done part time" to "if you're willing
to work hard"(I'm not sure what they mean by
that-how many hours are we talking about for a
newbie to semi experienced?)

Are affiliate programs really working?
Does online mail order really work?
Do ezines really work?

I think people are coming to these boards for
the "truth" of what really works and how much
time and "real money" are we looking at....
(playing devil's advocate here)

You've opened a can of worms but perhaps our
discussion will help many others(including moi!-
he he)

Sandy,

> First, let me say I know you have so much to
> give and I don't think you've discovered
> that YET...but you will.

> Then,

> Do what you love, the money will follow? Is
> that true?

> To those that have done it yes. To those
> that want to do it, maybe not. On the other
> hand, some people find that as their dollar
> per hour escalates, so does their
> "love" of what they are doing.

> Real Estate. Can money be made? YOU bet. Can
> I do it? NO. I had my license, my
> "farm", some of the best
> instructors, role models and mentors in the
> business...and even when those thousands of
> dollars of checks came in...I HATED it.

> So for me, even knowing and understanding
> the Dollars Per Hour are extremely high for
> the successful...that it required OTHER
> things that had more value to me.

> Thoughts.

> Not to many people will admit it, but I
> don't want to give up ALL or even most of my
> thinking time for dollars. Does that mean
> what is in my head is more important? Maybe.
> Maybe not.

> But my thoughts are a closely guarded
> treasure, and if I have to give them to a
> home owner seeking to sell (to get a
> listing) or to a buyer looking...that is
> time taken away from my inner life.

> So I love to think. Can I get PAID to do it?
> Yes.

> But as with my golf shop, when it becomes
> WORK (WERK?!) it takes on a whole different
> shape, feel and meaning.

> I don't accept copywriting assignments
> anymore. Why? Cause that is time I could use
> to create and promote my own stuff (and what
> I have in force is just the tip of the
> iceberg)...so you can't pay me enough to
> give up MY time for YOUR project.

> So if I had to THINK for my living on a
> routine and ritualized basis, like in an
> advertising agency, where it could be very
> lucrative...it would tear at my soul until I
> was unable to function effectively.

> Chattel for example. I've just switched
> gears from small deals (500 to 1000) to
> bigger deals, (3000 or so)...which means my
> TIME is worth more than it was last week
> when I chattel.

> Now an interesting thing, I used to LOVE to
> chattel to get out and about and see the
> people, see the people, see the people...

> quite frankly, I've seen about enough people
> for this lifetime, and I'm restructuring my
> TIME to meet my current needs and future
> wants.

> My QUEST has changed, and remained the
> same....

> my GOAL is to remain NOW focused, to be
> alive in the moment and totally aware of my
> being....

> and at the same time to have longer range
> goals that are worthy of pursuit. One is to
> GIVE what I got inside, and I've not done
> the best of jobs at that.

> But on a more general front:

> We only have so much time. I don't want my
> every waking hour to be consumed by
> "income earning" time, which is
> why passive situations are attractive to
> me...more so now than when I LOVED seeing
> the people.

> So HOW do I get to a level within, say, 3
> hours a day of werk time? 3 hours a day FOUR
> days a week?

> That is the target schedule for ME. Others
> may want to work 4X that.

> Now I have a TIME goal...and it matches up
> to an INCOME goal...and it tells me that I
> can't do it knocking on doors.

> Or selling cell phones in a kiosk in a mall.

> Where are the role models? How do I locate
> them? Am I willing to do something I don't
> like in exchange for the goals being
> reached? Maybe.

> Cause it frees up my time to do what I
> love...but there is an intersection where
> both are met.

> And my OPINION is that most of us are
> standing in that very intersection with a
> map in our hands looking for something,
> somewhere on the map of possibility...that
> is right beneath our feet.

> TIME. I enjoy watching the recently retired,
> at first the couples are like newlyweds but
> that wears off quickly and suddenly, MOM has
> someone in her TIME space that wasn't there
> for 35 years...and it requires an
> adjustment...

> that is an example, as you know I get
> cryptic... ha!

> So I would ask a person "Why are you
> willing to knock on doors for a 15.00 an
> hour TIME cost, when you could be at your
> computer making 25.00 per hour for the same
> amount of time without all the rejection and
> problems?"

> If they say, "cause I LOVE
> it!"...I'd personally question their
> sanity (he..he)...

> Do what you love is a mantra for those
> people who have apparently found what they
> love or have LEARNED to love what they do
> cause hour for hour it returns the highest
> INTEREST to them personally. And that may
> not be money.

> Gordon Alexander

Sandy -

> Are affiliate programs really working?
> Does online mail order really work?
> Do ezines really work?

Excellent questions. And as always, Gordon gave an excellent reply. I wish you could have attended the July 5th bash where we discussed these things and the "new" concepts Gordon has mentioned. I wish you could have met the man that made $4,000 on eBay in 10 hours. (I think I got that right.) I believe he did what he said he did because he's a doer and has been for sometime. But you won't find him bragging about it because he likes to "fly low and collect the dough." And that's *exactly* what he did here.

Let me speak directly to your question about e-zines. One of the top e-zine publishers on the Net visits here from time to time. His name is Dan Butler. His e-zine, The Naked PC, was written about in "Poor Richard's Email Publishing" by Chris Pirillo of Lockergnome fame, (Lockergnome is one of the oldest e-zines around with something like 170,000+ subscribers). Dan had 70,000+ subscribers the last time I talked to him. Is it working for Dan? Well, something certainly is. I won't mention any figures here because that's not my place but let's just say that Dan told they me they do *quite* well with it. Their bestseller? A keychain flashlight that goes for $20.00 and they sell *bunches* of these every month. They have other products but the flashlight continues to be the bestseller.

A book you might want to read is "Multiple Streams of Internet Income" by Robert Allen. (I'd loan you my copy from the BatCave Library but I doubt you're close enough. (g) ) In it, Robert goes over *in* detail what he did to make a bunch of his money with his e-zine in a *very* short period time.

Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"


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I will definitely check out the book...
Also I'll take a look deeply at Rick's
website...and ezine....

I read recently by an internet marketer
that eventually the ezines will become
defunct because the free email services
will make it difficult for people to send
get them. It seems every time I turn around
I get some news that something will be
defunct. But you just have to step in there
and do your thing and then "adjust" as Gordon
says...
Thanks Rick for the input and suggestions....

andy -

> Excellent questions. And as always, Gordon
> gave an excellent reply. I wish you could
> have attended the July 5th bash where we
> discussed these things and the
> "new" concepts Gordon has
> mentioned. I wish you could have met the man
> that made $4,000 on eBay in 10 hours. (I
> think I got that right.) I believe he did
> what he said he did because he's a doer and
> has been for sometime. But you won't find
> him bragging about it because he likes to
> "fly low and collect the dough."
> And that's *exactly* what he did here.

> Let me speak directly to your question about
> e-zines. One of the top e-zine publishers on
> the Net visits here from time to time. His
> name is Dan Butler. His e-zine, The Naked
> PC, was written about in "Poor
> Richard's Email Publishing" by Chris
> Pirillo of Lockergnome fame, (Lockergnome is
> one of the oldest e-zines around with
> something like 170,000+ subscribers). Dan
> had 70,000+ subscribers the last time I
> talked to him. Is it working for Dan? Well,
> something certainly is. I won't mention any
> figures here because that's not my place but
> let's just say that Dan told they me they do
> *quite* well with it. Their bestseller? A
> keychain flashlight that goes for $20.00 and
> they sell *bunches* of these every month.
> They have other products but the flashlight
> continues to be the bestseller.

> A book you might want to read is
> "Multiple Streams of Internet
> Income" by Robert Allen. (I'd loan you
> my copy from the BatCave Library but I doubt
> you're close enough. (g) ) In it, Robert
> goes over *in* detail what he did to make a
> bunch of his money with his e-zine in a
> *very* short period time.

> Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"

Sandy -

> I will definitely check out the book...

I think you can get it through Amazon. You can check out Robert's site at www.robertallen.com.

> Also I'll take a look deeply at Rick's
> website...and ezine....

I suspect you meant Dan.(g) I killed my e-zine a little over a year ago because I got tired of it. I've studied and learned a *lot* about e-zines since then and I'm thinking seriously of starting some more. Quite frankly, I'm getting lazy though and I like the e-mail mini-course idea or automated tips idea both sent through autoresponders. Stay tuned as that direction develops along with the concepts that Gordon has alluded to.

> I read recently by an internet marketer
> that eventually the ezines will become
> defunct because the free email services
> will make it difficult for people to send
> get them. It seems every time I turn around
> I get some news that something will be
> defunct. But you just have to step in there
> and do your thing and then
> "adjust" as Gordon
> says...

Well, there are actually several issues, the free e-mail services being one of them. But yes. I agree. You have to adjust.

Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"


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Hi ~

Just wanted to say:

> Are affiliate programs really working?

Yes.

> Does online mail order really work?

Yes.

> Do ezines really work?

Yes.

I answer yes to all the above but remind you that it depends on you and what you do.

> I think people are coming to these boards
> for
> the "truth" of what really works
> and how much
> time and "real money" are we
> looking at....
> (playing devil's advocate here)

Everything takes time. You have to decide if it's worth the time you give it. I've been successful with all the above - Gordon knows some of the numbers - but my success may or may not reflect what you can do.

Just make sure you evaluate you opinions in terms of what you want to do and how you want to live. Then look at the money. Very important.

Make sure you leave time for what is important to you and to the others close to you.

~ Dan Butler


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