Blind leading the Blind

Dear Colleagues,
This is what I have decided to do. Being new with an Internet Venture I've notice there are plenty of short comings and the obvious one is there are too many "marketing gurus" to learn from.
I believe it will be an asset to gather as many "marketing guru resources" as possible in one directory or site.
After doing a little research, a Newbie to an Internet Venture would need 5 major elements to start an Internet Venture.

Element 1: An Idea or a Product to sell.
Sub Elements in Element 1 will be:
1.1 To create, develop or locate the idea.
1.2 To obtain the knowledge to research on the idea (research i.e. market needs, competition, pricing, etc)
1.3 To obtain the tools to research on the idea.
1.4 To evaluate the results of the idea.
1.5 Set your mind and work on the idea

Element 2: Developing your idea
Sub Elements in Element 2 will be:
2.1 To obtain the knowledge to develop your idea.
2.2 Research on the tools to develop your idea.
2.3 Evaluate your tools before developing your idea.
2.4 Investing in the tools to develop your idea.
2.5 Developing your idea

Element 3: Testing your Idea
Sub Elements in Element 3 will be:
3.1 To obtain the knowledge to test your idea
3.2 Evaluate the tools and methods of testing your idea
3.3 Investing in your tools to test your idea
3.4 Evaluating your test results
3.5 Fine tuning your idea

Element 4: Advertising, Promoting and Marketing your idea
Sub Elements in Element 4 will be:
4.1 To obtain the knowledge on how to APM your idea
4.2 Evaluate the tools and cost to APM your idea
4.3 Test available tools to APM your idea
4.4 Invest in the right tools to APM your idea
4.5 APM your idea

Element 5: Create a Recurring, Residual Income with your idea
Sub Elements in Element 5 will be:
5.1 To obtain knowledge on executing RRI
5.2 To obtain knowledge on tools of RRI
5.3 Evaluate the right tools of RRI
5.4 Investing in the tools for RRI
5.5 Developing your RRI

I understand there are vast information on the above topics, and I cant guarantee that I'll manage to provide all in my site, more so that I am providing them for free, but I believe from time to time more links, free downloadable e-books, newsletters, e-zines and reports will be added on.
I plan to write to a selective group of "marketing gurus" and "tool developers" as to contribute their resources and expertise in return for "free advertisements".
As to earn an income I intend to be an affiliate to these contributors.
As a Newbie Internet Entrepreneur I believe "Affiliate programs" will be advisable for me. Its definitely low risk and low losses (if there is to be one) and a good learning experience for me before I venture into a larger scale.
I have time with me and I believe with plenty of hard work and personal touch "A Blind will be able to lead a Blind".

I welcome comments and feedbacks on my idea, more so if you could "add on" more elements and sub elements which I could share with all Newbie Internet Entrepreneurs.

TIA.
Nasrat Star.

P.S I am available and would love to be an "Affiliate" to your great ideas & products.
Feel free to e-mail me.

My personal experience, and watching people who have tried and failed is they all have one thing in common and I almost never see or read about it. It is focus on your project, I don't mean focus a little while you are at your your computer, but the kind of focus where you have blinders on. You go to bed thinking about your project, you so excited you have trouble sleeping, you wake up and you are thinking about your project. You have a pen and pad by your bed and wake up in the middle of the night and write down an idea. Your friends and family worry about you because you are becoming to obsessed with your new project. You get pissed off if anything takes time away from your project. I mean 100% total and complete concentration on one idea until it is self sustaining.

I see way too many people some are friends who lack the ability to focus on one project, they become distracted by another idea, then another and they end up not doing anything. You know who you are.

As for gurus, you are placing way too much faith in them. Most have never done anything but write about how to get rich on the Internet, and they all say the same old junk. You have at your disposal on this forum some of the best and brightest on the Internet.

Also, stop planning and take some action, NOW. This is a huge problem I see, people order products but fail to take action and then complain about the How to product not working, it's not the product it's the person not working.

Good Luck

Dave Roberts

you ignore the answers to your questions?

> I welcome comments and feedbacks on my idea,
> more so if you could "add on" more
> elements and sub elements which I could
> share with all Newbie Internet
> Entrepreneurs.

You asked about this idea already. You were given answers from people with vast amounts of Internet experience. People who have been in the trenches... from before every man and his dog jumped online.

And yet, you have ignored all of their suggestions and have decided to go ahead with your idea anyway.

In essence, you are telling these people you do not value the time and effort they spent trying to help you and point you in the right direction and you know better.

So why should they help you further? You have already shown you won't listen.

Oh... and by the way... do you even realise you have gone against the purpose of your own idea?

You want to have only the best stuff from the "gurus" and then you say you want to have more and more and more free stuff from everywhere. You'll be back where you started... too much info. from so-called "gurus." And who is going to tell the good from the bad? Not you... you already said you don't know the good from the bad.

And besides... you'll just end up being another of the infinity-plus-one sites offering the same old "How To Make Money On The Internet" stuff. (There are more people selling information about how to make money on the Internet than there are people making money on the Internet.)

Why not benefit from the advice you sought and do as suggested?

Michael Ross

I didn't see that several people who are far more knowledgeable than me had already posted.

I do think you should listen to Michael and Dien, I have no idea how you can do what you have planned. It is very close to a scam because you admit you are a newbie, but want to vet all the information you can find and break out what is good stuff, how will you know. It's very difficult to say what works, it is almost niche dependent. That is I know what works for me, but I wouldn't want to tell anyone that this will work for you. Plus you are entering into a niche that is nasty, and you will be going up against the most seasoned, hardcore Internet professionals of any niche. I have fortunately been successful, but there is no way I would go into that niche.

I must also stress again, you don't need to go and find any more gurus, like I said the best and brightest hangout here.

Oh, just to let you know, you got off very easy back in the day you would have so much smack run on you, not trying would seem the best option. I know most of us have taken many arrows for throwing out an idea. This was a few years back and it was brutal. But for those of who survived the great wild west forum days have been successful.

Dave Roberts

Hi Nasrat,

It is next to impossible to make sales on the web if you don't have credibility or credentials. And while is it admirable that you wish to learn marketing, if you don't know much about it -- it will be hard to sell products based on marketing. You can disagree with that statement if you want, but based on my experience, it is true.

What can you do? I don't know -- only you can answer that, but if I were going to market anymore informational products on the web, I think I would choose a niche market that has a LOT of room to grow. I would write about something I KNOW about. Let me give you some ideas about what I might do, and see if it inspires some ideas in you.

Our family business is MacLellan's Cottages located on the Bay of Fundy in Nova Scotia. Every year a few thousand tourists come to this area to vacation on the beach, do a little fishing, site seeing, clam digging, bird watching and hunting in the Fall. Every year we get the same questions:

• Where can I fish and get bait and supplies?
• How do you dig clams? How do you cook them? What tools do I need?
• Where are the good hunting places? Where can I stay? Where can I find a guide? A map?

Although there are many places that rent cottages and do the Bed and Breakfast thing, there are not any websites I have seen that offer any information that answers the many questions visitors have every year. So there would seem to be a need for very general information that anyone who grew up there would know the answers to. But when you live in Chicago IL (example), and don't know these answers, how do you find these things out?

Of course you would have to test the market, to see if people would buy these type of informational products. In all reality, a large percentage may just decide they will wait and ask questions when they get there. But there are numerous websites that offer cottage rentals, etc., that don't sell any products. They only advertise their cottages. So offering these folks a commission for helping you sell (an affiliate program), might generate a good response.

In conclusion, I feel you might have better luck marketing products that are based on something you know about. I've been developing commercial websites for four years and know how to market well enough to keep myself busy and employed. But I don't pretend to have any expertise in marketing, and wouldn't try to sell information telling someone else how to do it. There are just too may people around who know a whole lot more about it then I do.

Best Regards,
Steve MacLellan




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> Hi Nasrat,
I live near one of the best Salmon fishing rivers in the world (The UMPQUA River of SW Oregon)

Fall Chinook season will be starting in Sept and that brings oodles of tourists all "hungry" for ONE THING...."easy ways to get a BIG Chinook"!

The first fall chinook season I noticed how "RAVENOUS" the visiting fishermen were for INFO on "WHERE ARE THE BIG ONES HANGING OUT"?

Sure...many people hire guides BUT...thousands don't. They arrive in town...park their motor homes or get a motel room...ask the motel clerks if they know of "ANY GOOD HOLES"!

I was sitting in the lobby of a motel, waiting for a buddy of mine to go fishing with me, when I first heard that question asked of a clerk. (Ya gotsta keep your eyes and ears open at all times for "things people WANT")

I've since heard that same question hundreds of times.

As I was sitting there (the first time I heard the question) I thought about the fishing holes I would be taking my buddy to. The holes that had produced "monsters" for me...some holes easy to get to...some almost impossible.

As I was sitting there listening to this "fisherman-tourist" I imagined a plastic counter display, right in front of him that had the words...

"Want To Catch Monster Chinook?
Find Out Where They Rest on their way Upstream! Get Your Copy of the Video..."THE 27 SECRET HOLES OF THE UMPQUA!" On Sale Here! Just $39. Why pay a Guide to show you where the Big Boys hang out? Just watch the Video! Save Time and Frustration! Get Your Copy NOW!"

I've been going to do this every year. I think I'll do it this year. Let's see...50,000 fishermen...figuring with the Title alone I could sell 1,000 Videos...$39,000. What if I sold 5,000 Videos? $200,000 and the videos only cost me $1.85 from NorthAmerican Video in Van Nuys. Plus, I'd have to give the motels probably 20%...($8)....make up 30 plastic displays for $60... leaving me with $145,000.

Hey! Time to get the ol' Video Cam out and start shooting.

Isn't this "world of entroopeneerism" exciting?

Don Alm

> It is next to impossible to make sales on
> the web if you don't have credibility or
> credentials. And while is it admirable that
> you wish to learn marketing, if you don't
> know much about it -- it will be hard to
> sell products based on marketing. You can
> disagree with that statement if you want,
> but based on my experience, it is true.

> What can you do? I don't know -- only you
> can answer that, but if I were going to
> market anymore informational products on the
> web, I think I would choose a niche market
> that has a LOT of room to grow. I would
> write about something I KNOW about. Let me
> give you some ideas about what I might do,
> and see if it inspires some ideas in you.

> Our family business is MacLellan's Cottages
> located on the Bay of Fundy in Nova Scotia.
> Every year a few thousand tourists come to
> this area to vacation on the beach, do a
> little fishing, site seeing, clam digging,
> bird watching and hunting in the Fall. Every
> year we get the same questions:

> Where can I fish and get bait and
> supplies? How do you dig clams? How do you
> cook them? What tools do I need? Where are
> the good hunting places? Where can I stay?
> Where can I find a guide? A map? Although
> there are many places that rent cottages and
> do the Bed and Breakfast thing, there are
> not any websites I have seen that offer any
> information that answers the many questions
> visitors have every year. So there would
> seem to be a need for very general
> information that anyone who grew up there
> would know the answers to. But when you live
> in Chicago IL (example), and don't know
> these answers, how do you find these things
> out?

> Of course you would have to test the market,
> to see if people would buy these type of
> informational products. In all reality, a
> large percentage may just decide they will
> wait and ask questions when they get there.
> But there are numerous websites that offer
> cottage rentals, etc., that don't sell any
> products. They only advertise their
> cottages. So offering these folks a
> commission for helping you sell (an
> affiliate program), might generate a good
> response.

> In conclusion, I feel you might have better
> luck marketing products that are based on
> something you know about. I've been
> developing commercial websites for four
> years and know how to market well enough to
> keep myself busy and employed. But I don't
> pretend to have any expertise in marketing,
> and wouldn't try to sell information telling
> someone else how to do it. There are just
> too may people around who know a whole lot
> more about it then I do.

> Best Regards,
> Steve MacLellan




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