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![]() Need some wisdom here folks. I need to make an introduction page to present a "one on one personal referral" to explain and pre-sell my offer before sending them on to my corporate site. I also need to capture their email addy and post links/adds for my other upcoming sites/services. Those also need the same kind of intro pages. I have the domain for the first one, but no host yet. For reasons I'll spare you from, (it's a long sad story), we have almost no budget to work with. It was a finesse to get one domain at GoDaddy and I need a couple more plus hosting. I know it's not realistic to start a biz with no capital, but I need to shoestring this as much as possible without being completely hokey. I grew up on a dryland farm and so am very well aquainted with "making do" in the real world, but not sure the best way to do that on the web. What is the best affordable way to start? Are there any of the free hosts that are OK? I kind of hate to go there at all, but budget may require it for the first month or two, just for the intro pages. Who would you recommend for quality free or low cost hosting?
I know I need to start my list. Am I on the right track with the intro page idea? I thought something just like you would say if you were telling a friend about it. The first is for the ispvip.biz/netgold isp service & biz-opp. The next would be for my organic farm & garden consulting biz which will develop into a free and paid newsletters and/or private site later. The third is my wife's health site with vegetarian/vegan recipies, cooking seminars, and natural health through healthy lifestyle info and seminars. Organics is the fastest (the only) growing,& profitable segment of agriculture and health is always near the top search words and we have a tremendous wealth of experiance and very valuable knowledge in these areas. Not to mention being able to feel real good about the mission of helping people be healthier with good, clean, "pesticide residue-free" food. Drug-free ways to lower cholesterol, etc. Two things are roadblocking us here: lack of experiance online marketing (I have been soaking up all I could since Nov) and lack of capital. I have and will put things on ebay, but selling our antique odds-n-ends for 5 cents on the dollar of "book value" is kind of a depressing way to raise money. Good catagories, good photos, good copy. I guess it's a buyer's market with the economy the way it is. Sorry to ramble on, but I noticed whenever someone posts for biz advice, you need more info to give a good reply. What about joint-ventues or investors? Anyone interested in the subjects above is welcome to email us direct. Any suggestions are very welcome, Thanks in advance. Dave Horn PS: It's not too late to get in on the ground floor of this isp biz-opp. They are going into UK and Aus in April and translating languages for Europe now to enter this summer. I haven't found anything negative anywhere and it appears they are going global. Has anyone checked this out? Too Good To Be True? No, We Can All Have A Gold Mine! |
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![]() > I know it's not realistic to
> start a biz with no capital, That's true. > What is the best affordable way > to start? Are there any of the free hosts > that are OK? Spend the money for a good domain name and good hosting. IMHO there aren't any good free hosting accounts, and there are many paid for hosting accounts that are not any good either. > I know I need to start my list. Am I on the > right track with the intro page idea? No, your visitors need to have a reason to come back. If your intro letter doesn't draw them in the first time, what other reason would they have to come back? > The next would be for my organic farm & > garden consulting biz which will develop > into a free and paid newsletters and/or > private site later. Study Mike McGroarty at http://www.freeplants.com/ > The third is my wife's health site with > vegetarian/vegan recipies, cooking seminars, > and natural health through healthy lifestyle > info and seminars. I understand Willie Crawford does very well with his Soul-food site http://chitterlings.com/ > Two things are roadblocking us here: lack of > experiance online marketing (I have been > soaking up all I could since Nov) and lack > of capital. Can't help with the capital other then to suggest the bank, friends and family. I bet your local library has tons of books on marketing, that you can learn from without having to spend a fortune. > I have and will put things on ebay, but > selling our antique odds-n-ends for 5 cents > on the dollar of "book value" is > kind of a depressing way to raise money. Again, don't take a loss. Go the library and find clubs of antique collectors and send them a letter to let them know what you have available. People who collect antiques have expendable income. You don't need to be taking a loss on that stuff. > Good catagories, good photos, good copy. I > guess it's a buyer's market with the economy > the way it is. It isn't anything that can't be learned if you apply yourself. > Dave Horn Good luck to you Dave. Best Regards, Steve MacLellan talk.homebusiness-websites.com ![]() |
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![]() Steve,
Thanks for your reply. I know one needs a good host, just wondered how thin of a shoestring could still do the job. I've subscribed with Mike M, Mel White referred me to him a while back. Very similar to what I need to do with a little different content. Thanks for the lead to Willie's Soul food, I've been lurking his board for 3 months and never saw the food! Sincerly, Dave |
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![]() Here are a few cheap hosts maybe you can use.
Some can charge by the month, other by six months increments other by the year. Some have setup fees, others don't. Maybe one could be of use for you. Here they are: http://www.1dollarhosting.com/ the name says it all, http://www.digitalspace.net/ 3.00$/month, http://www.hostingzap.com/ cheap webhost directory, http://www.ipowerweb.com/ $7.95/month for 400Mb,no setup fee, http://powweb.com/index.html $43.31 for the first 3 months, for 500Mb storage, after, $23.31 for 3 months, http://www.hostica.com/od.html $12/year for 5Mb my not yet completed sales letter for my new product. Ha, Ha, Ha! ![]() |
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![]() There are lots of free everythings on the net. So it shouldn't be to bad without money. To a certain extent.
You should get yourself a free copernic search engine at www.copernic.com . With this you should search for organic agriculture, organisations, maybe you could find opportunities. But farming never gets as good as when you have land. To start a list, maybe you have an aunt who is good in recipes? You could start a newsletter on organic recipes that would transform itself into a recipe book or ebook that could be marketed? You can start a business without capital if it is on the internet AND what you would market is information. The investment would be your time. Probably lots of it. I would stay away from free webhosts. It's very detrimental for a commercial image. Doing business on the net is low cost, but making money rarely happens overnight. It's a long term committment, a way of life. So prepare yourself for this reality, you'll have to build everything and for the market to respond will take time. Better not to blame yourself if you're not rich by next week. And you could be lucky. Anything happens on the net. my still not completely finished sales letter for my new product (ha,ha,ha!) ![]() |
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![]() > Need some wisdom here folks.
Sure. But you may not like what you hear. Dave: You are about to embark on the same "mistake" countless others make... Trying to use FREE third party hosting and FREE everything else, to SELL a BizOp. You admit you have a lack of funds and are selling a BizOP at the same time. What's wrong with that picture? Hello? I can't hear you. > Anyone interested in the subjects above is > welcome to email us direct. Do you really want help or are you just trying to acquire names? > PS: It's not too late to get in on the > ground floor of this isp biz-opp. They are > going into UK and Aus in April and > translating languages for Europe now to > enter this summer. I haven't found anything > negative anywhere and it appears they are > going global. Has anyone checked this out? Nope. Haven't checked them out. And neither will I. Reason? Because I don't believe you really want an opinion. How do I know? Because the link you are asking us to check out is YOUR affiliate link. In other words... you are asking our opinion about a company which you have already joined. Hence, we don't believe your question is sincere. Thus, no one answers because they reckon you're just posting to get a link in to your MLM BizOp thing - this is an old old trick and most of the people here (the one's who could give you advice anyway) have been around too long to fall for such "trickery." You want advice? Okay... Stop pushing a BizOp while you're on the financial ropes. Instead, concentrate on getting customers for your "real" product. Concentrate on getting just one single customer. Then, after you get that one, concentrate on getting just one other customer. After your second customer, concentrate on getting just one more customer. Little steps. One customer at a time. Not by selling an "opportunity" but by selling an actual product. See? There has been much discussion here about MLM and the fact people are selling the "opportunity" instead of the "product," and why that is backwards. So you want a few extra bucks? Besides ACTING on the ideas presented in The Great Ideas Letter (like the recent one where you could actually start and market the biz for a whole month for under $100), why not put a little Vegetarian CookBook together and sell it on consignment in health food stores? You could call it 101 Great Tasting Vegetarian Recipes You Can Make In Less Than 10 Minutes. Cookbooks are always selling well because people are always buying them. Proven market. Proven product. Can't get no better than that. Would it work? TEST it and find out. You might be pleasantly surprised. Michael Ross The Great Ideas Letter |
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![]() Micheal,
Thanks for your wise and candid reply. I really mean that. I do like it because you had the integrity to give me your honest opinion instead of just writing me off as the kind of person I that I made myself appear to be. I do have to say that you did mis-judge me somewhat, (obviously with good reasons) but you had no way of knowing me or my true motives. I wanted veteran opinions on how to start on a shoestring more than exposure of the isp I just found. And I really did want opinions on it to. I will post answers/explanations tommorow night when I have more time. I just wanted to pop in and say thanks, and yes I did want to hear it, good or bad. That is one of the greatest things about forums like this: an idiot like me can actually interact and get advice from some of the greatest minds in the business. And yes I really mean that too, it's reality, not flattery. Thanks again, Dave PS: Would it make you feel any better about my motives if I don't post my link? (Sorry, I just couldn't resist a grin.) BTW: We are compiling recipes already |
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![]() > Micheal,
> Thanks for your wise and candid reply. I > really mean that. I do like it because you > had the integrity to give me your honest > opinion instead of just writing me off as > the kind of person I that I made myself > appear to be. I do have to say that you did > mis-judge me somewhat, (obviously with good > reasons) but you had no way of knowing me or > my true motives. I wanted veteran opinions > on how to start on a shoestring more than > exposure of the isp I just found. And I > really did want opinions on it to. I will > post answers/explanations tommorow night > when I have more time. I just wanted to pop > in and say thanks, and yes I did want to > hear it, good or bad. That is one of the > greatest things about forums like this: an > idiot like me can actually interact and get > advice from some of the greatest minds in > the business. And yes I really mean that > too, it's reality, not flattery. > Thanks again, Dave > PS: Would it make you feel any better about > my motives if I don't post my link? > (Sorry, I just couldn't resist a grin.) > BTW: We are compiling recipes already perhaps the easiest way I know of to earn extra money in order to get your other products off the ground. I don't sell it... don't even know who does. But it is a well thought out system that ANYONE CAN DO STARTING WITH LESS THAN $100. The problem you are facing on ebay is that you are trying to sell items no one truly wants... that's why the low prices but I can tell you there are specific niches where folks are making money. When it comes to most antiques and Ebay you are better (I feel) buying on Ebay and selling locally. Ebay is much more of a wholesale market when it comes to most antiques rather than retail. Take care, Mike Winicki |
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![]() Michael,
Again, I want to say I appreciate your honest opinion. One of my favorite sayings is "How often is constuctive criticism really welcome or well accepted?" I dare say, not too often. Most of the time people are in denial, close-minded, or get real defensive. I, like most, have been known to exibit any one of these. I do try to have an open mind and would be a real fool to reject wise council. I realize now, that asking about or posting the link to my new isp was a mistake and totally gave the wrong impression, not to mention cheating myself out of alot of good advice which was the only reason for my post. At the risk of sounding like a defensive one, I would like to address each of your comments. Not to defend, but to clarify so you will know from whence I speak and possibly will be so kind as to subject me to more of your character-building wisdom. I'm fairly new to these forums,(duh!-3months). Has anyone published a newbies guide to forum eticate, so we don't make complete fools of ourselves? OK, Please allow me to clarify, as I absolutely despise mis-understandings. > Sure. But you may not like what you hear. Maybe not, but I'm not too foolish to listen & learn. > Dave: > You are about to embark on the same > "mistake" countless others make... > Trying to use FREE third party hosting and > FREE everything else, to SELL a BizOp. > You admit you have a lack of funds and are > selling a BizOP at the same time. > What's wrong with that picture? > Hello? > I can't hear you. OK, so I gave the total wrong impression here. The simple truth is: the last two isp's I had were less than adequate for about $20US. I signed up mostly for the actual service, much more so than the biz-op. Just the isp would have only been $13US, but for the same as I was paying for lame service, I could get the whole package. I really wasn't after the free hosting, website, biz-op; I just figured why not try it out 'cause I'm spending the 20 anyway. Before, I spend any $ on anything anymore, I try and research them on several good boards. This was no exception, as I don't want yet another lame isp, and the last thing I want to be associated with is another mlm scam. The results of my board search was a little puzzling, can't say I quite understand it yet. This isp company/biz-op was distinctly absent from most forums! I'd still like to know why. Maybe the word just hadn't gotten out yet, or what? If it was a scam or bad service, you'd think there would be negative feedback out there somewhere. I did find it on one of the biggest marketing boards, and again, nothing negative. On the contrary, the Admin and a lot of his associates appear to have jumped on it. (It just occurred to me that this probably sounds like I'm "pitching" this! How do I tell you about what I found out and how I got where I'm at without sounding that way?) So because I needed a new isp, got more for the same money, and found no bad news, I signed up. It's still new to me and just because I have an affiliate site does not mean I don't welcome opinions on this company. Again, I wanted the service. Free hosting, site, biz-op were just a bonus I thought it wouldn't hurt to try out. I did not realize it would kill all credibility of my posts, because I see very few with no link. Was I really a jerk to think that maybe someone would want a good isp for $13 when AOL (lame?) is twice that? Do I really have to post with no link to get answers? Should I discount all your good posts, (and many other's), because you are "selling" Great Ideas at the bottom of your posts? I think not. OK, so there is a fine line here, what are the guidelines? No blatent ads. Anything else? Again, I'm not "selling", just trying to clarify so you can give me your opinion from a more accurate perspective. > Do you really want help or are you just > trying to acquire names? Sorry this was mis-interpeted as well. I know that the best places to hide can be right out in the open, but I'm not so stupid to post that just to get names. I meant that until my sites on organic farming/gardening and healthy lifesyle info/recipes are up and running, since it is Spring (up here), that anyone wanting advice would be welcome to contact me for free help. Yes, I would end up with their email, but honestly, I did not even think of that when I wrote it. It was just an offer for free advice and to get aquainted with folks of like interest. (Hindsight: would giving your email out for journeyman level consultation be so bad?) Not a bad idea, but not my intent. I also didn't intend to lump the isp into that offer, but neglected to specify that. Bottom line to answer your question: I really do want help, and I really do want to help others with my areas of expertise. Just a way for them to get it before my sites are online. And the help is needed to get them online. (I thought it was rude or "spammish" to email directly to someone from a board, if they did not OK or invite it. Is this correct?) > Nope. Haven't checked them out. And neither > will I. Reason? Because I don't believe you > really want an opinion. How do I know? > Because the link you are asking us to check > out is YOUR affiliate link. In other > words... you are asking our opinion about a > company which you have already joined. > Hence, we don't believe your question is > sincere. Thus, no one answers because they > reckon you're just posting to get a link in > to your MLM BizOp thing - this is an old old > trick and most of the people here (the one's > who could give you advice anyway) have been > around too long to fall for such > "trickery." Very sorry this came across as "trickery". I see posts quite often that offer no real solid advice or ask a brief, generic question, and even a newbie can see the excuse to post thier link. I know countless ones must get deleted, but lots do get posted. I hope my reply above cleared most of this up. Of course it's my affiliate link, I don't see anyone else posting someone else's or the corp. without thier's. Does that mean I absolutely can't get anyone's opinion? If it really is a good deal and I left my affiliate off, I could miss some sales. No one can be forced to sign up and I don't get any benefits from browsers so what is the harm? (other than appearing to stoop to trickery and ruining my credibility, both of which I would like to avoid). If you looked and didn't sign-up, what did I benefit other than the chance to have your veteran opinion (I would rather have that anyway). If it happened to be something worthwhile that you hadn't heard about yet, am I a jerk for telling you about it? So I already joined, I still wanted your opinion. IMHO (not worth much in this department as a newbie), the corp site is not bad, but it is a far contrast to the marketing copy I see written by all you veteran marketers out there. The SOUL PURPOSE of my post was to ask about making my own "mini-site"/gateway page/portal page (I haven't learned all the terminology yet) that would introduce and sell or pre-sell, hook, whatever before they are forwarded on to the isp site. And how to set up the first small mini site for the organics & health subjects. I thought something with some great copy, testimonials, offer for a freebie or two, newsletter offer, notices of my other sites or products, would be the way to get started. Isn't this what I see all you master marketers doing? Maybe I'm wrong here, but the isp site just doesn't ring with killer copy. Now that I think about it, they probably avoided hypey-killer copy to sound more professional & business-like. Where do you draw the line between hype copy that sells and sounding like a pitch-man? I also wanted a small, quick site to offer newsletter sign-ups for the organic farm and health sites, so that I had something to offer and start building interest until I get enough content for the main sites. AND, how to do this on a very limited budget? > You want advice? Yes, definitely, and I really can't tell you how much I appreciated your valuable time and opinions. Not just Michael, but everyone out there. I've always told my son: you can learn something from everyone, some good some bad, the challenge is how much value to put on each source. So thank you all for your advice, sorry I came across wrong and missed out on a lot of it. > Okay... > Stop pushing a BizOp while you're on the > financial ropes. Didn't mean to come across as pushing the biz-op. It was my first online attempt at writing a catchy little phrase to get people to click. It was kind of exciting to have something to put at the bottom, just wanted to get my feet wet. Had no idea that it would create such a backfire. How much difference would it have made if I hadn't been asking about starting on a very low budget? > Instead, concentrate on getting customers > for your "real" product. Biz-op aside, it is offering a real quality isp service for half what AOL users are paying for lame service plastered with ads. All those people leaving AOL & MSN need a decent isp. I would rather and will soon be offering things in my areas of expertise. I didn't know this was a terrible thing to put up in the meantime, or that it would mean I couldn't get answers to questions about how to get the main subjects online quickly and on a tight budget. > Concentrate on getting just one single > customer. Then, after you get that one, > concentrate on getting just one other > customer. After your second customer, > concentrate on getting just one more > customer. Little steps. One customer at a > time. Not by selling an > "opportunity" but by selling an > actual product. See? I guess the link should have "sold" the isp service instead of sounding like it was just pushing a biz-op. However, if you went there, either on is available without all the usual mlm hype or the hidden until you sign-up load of ****. Yes, I will be selling our real product of our years of knowledge in the above mentioned fields asap. Hopefully with your help. > There has been much discussion here about > MLM and the fact people are selling the > "opportunity" instead of the > "product," and why that is > backwards. I know that's bass-ackwards and when I tell friends or contacts about it, I present it as a good isp with the biz-op as a fringe benefit if they want it. > So you want a few extra bucks? Yes, not to sound greedy, but more than a few. I know there's no get rich quick, and don't mind lots of hard work (farmers and loggers know all about that). I am tired of working my tail off to make someone else rich. After years of self-employment in an economically depressed area, I spent the last couple of years selling my life, soul, and every bit of me I had to offer to an organic frozen food corp contracting and supervising several thousand acres of organic vegetables across the US and Canada. All the employees worked long, hard, and cheap to help get this small, family company with a great plan off and running to a national and global level. Last fall they eliminated my position with no notice or reason given. Said I had done well, no misconduct or anything. "See you later, hope we can still be friends." Five months later I'm still trying to negotiate a severance agreement. It made me realize how the good folks at Enron, or the local sawmill must feel. I loved all the great people I met, but do not want to put my family and I in a position to rely on someone else like that again. We need to share the knowledge God gave us and build a more self reliant income. I know it takes time to build a biz and plan to do whatever real world sweat jobs I have to to survive, but I know the internet is the great information market. It also gives more freedom to pick where you live, instead of having to live where your employer is. Sorry to go off subject, thought a little background would help you target your advice. > Besides ACTING on the ideas presented in The > Great Ideas Letter (like the recent one > where you could actually start and market > the biz for a whole month for under $100), > why not put a little Vegetarian CookBook > together and sell it on consignment in > health food stores? You could call it 101 > Great Tasting Vegetarian Recipes You Can > Make In Less Than 10 Minutes . Yes, thankyou for Great Ideas. Very well earned title. We are working on a cookbook. The health food stores would be a great outlet. Thanks. I also want to get it online as fast as possible. I noticed that health is usually in the top five search subjects. Also that there are way, way, too many hucksters pushing various supplements as the key to health, most some form of mlm. What is the best way not to get lost in the multitudes? > Cookbooks are always selling well because > people are always buying them. Proven > market. Proven product. Can't get no better > than that. > Would it work? > TEST it and find out. You might be > pleasantly surprised. I agree, we're working on it, hence my questions about getting online on a budget. Sorry my new isp has a biz-op with it and that it clouded the issues I really needed advice for. I hope this clarifies from whence I come. Sorry for the mis-understanding. Sorry this is so long, but I didn't know how else to give you an acurate account of the situation. If you or anyone else now feels better about taking the time to respond, any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm still glad to advise anyone interested in organics or natural vegan health. Thanks everyone, Dave > Michael Ross |
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![]() > Michael,
> Again, I want to say I appreciate your > honest opinion. You're welcome. > Has anyone published > a newbies guide to forum eticate, so we > don't make complete fools of ourselves? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way. Netiquette things are ignored. Just look at the NO BLATANT ADS at the top of the forum and how many people post Blatant Ads. On this forum they get nuked pretty quick. ON other forums they hang around forever. The forum eventually turning into an Ad Board. > OK, Please allow me to clarify, as I > absolutely despise mis-understandings. Good. We like clarifying here. > OK, so I gave the total wrong impression > here. The simple truth is: the last two > isp's I had were less than adequate for > about $20US. I signed up mostly for the > actual service, much more so than the > biz-op. Just the isp would have only been > $13US, but for the same as I was paying for > lame service, I could get the whole package. > I really wasn't after the free hosting, > website, biz-op; I just figured why not try > it out 'cause I'm spending the 20 anyway. > Before, I spend any $ on anything anymore, I > try and research them on several good > boards. This was no exception, as I don't > want yet another lame isp, and the last > thing I want to be associated with is > another mlm scam. The results of my board > search was a little puzzling, can't say I > quite understand it yet. This isp > company/biz-op was distinctly absent from > most forums! I'd still like to know why. > Maybe the word just hadn't gotten out yet, > or what? If it was a scam or bad service, > you'd think there would be negative feedback > out there somewhere. Realize that some negative feedback is by competition or morons. Some people just cannot be communicated with no matter how hard someone tries. And some people will complain in public when things are their fault and before the business in question is even made aware of the problem. > I did find it on one of the biggest > marketing boards, and again, nothing > negative. On the contrary, the Admin and a > lot of his associates appear to have jumped > on it. > So because I needed a new isp, got more for > the same money, and found no bad news, I > signed up. > It's still new to me and just because I have > an affiliate site does not mean I don't > welcome opinions on this company. Again, I > wanted the service. Free hosting, site, > biz-op were just a bonus I thought it > wouldn't hurt to try out. I did not realize > it would kill all credibility of my posts, > because I see very few with no link. There are those of us who post often and link infrequently. Others link all over the place. You know what observation reveals? The people who link the most have the shortest posts. And, their posts are of questionable value, or of questionable sincerety. My personal take on posting is: If you ask a question you do not provide a link. If you answer a question with a proper answer, you can leave a link as your reward. Was I > really a jerk to think that maybe someone > would want a good isp for $13 when AOL > (lame?) is twice that? Nope. You're not a jerk for thinking that. You're not a jerk for anything you think. Do I really have to > post with no link to get answers? See my personal take on that. Generally, the answer is no. It is not the act of linking that is the problem. (clarity to follow further) Should I > discount all your good posts, (and many > other's), because you are > "selling" Great Ideas at the > bottom of your posts? I think not. Again, see MY two rules to linking. OK, so > there is a fine line here, what are the > guidelines? No blatent ads. Anything else? The usual... No ****, No Get Rich Quick crap, etc. > Sorry this was mis-interpeted as well. I > know that the best places to hide can be > right out in the open, but I'm not so stupid > to post that just to get names. I meant that > until my sites on organic farming/gardening > and healthy lifesyle info/recipes are up and > running, since it is Spring (up here), that > anyone wanting advice would be welcome to > contact me for free help. Yes, I would end > up with their email, but honestly, I did not > even think of that when I wrote it. It was > just an offer for free advice and to get > aquainted with folks of like interest. Sure. No problem. Just realize the perception created by your post... You ASK a question and then OFFER something via email. That part would have been perceived differently if it had been an offer to POST more info on the board. > (I thought it was rude or > "spammish" to email directly to > someone from a board, if they did not OK or > invite it. Is this correct?) It depends on WHY you are emailing them. To offer something for sale, then yes, it is wrong. To offer assistance free, then no. For example, if you see me post a question about organic carrots and you have an answer not already written on the board you have two choices... 1: Post it on the board (even with a link to your related product) 2: Email the info directly to me. Posts and emails which are really ads - or disguised ads - are a no no. > I see posts quite > often that offer no real solid advice or ask > a brief, generic question, and even a newbie > can see the excuse to post thier link. I > know countless ones must get deleted, but > lots do get posted. I hope my reply above > cleared most of this up. Yeah. It did. > Of course it's my affiliate link, I don't > see anyone else posting someone else's or > the corp. without thier's. Does that mean I > absolutely can't get anyone's opinion? If it > really is a good deal and I left my > affiliate off, I could miss some sales. It's not the link itself. It's the Context in which the link was used. You asked for opinions about something you had already made your mind up on. It wasn't as if it was something you were thinking of joining and the link was to the main corp site. Then, that would have been viewed as a legitimate question. No > one can be forced to sign up and I don't get > any benefits from browsers so what is the > harm? (other than appearing to stoop to > trickery and ruining my credibility, both of > which I would like to avoid). You answered your own question. If you looked > and didn't sign-up, what did I benefit other > than the chance to have your veteran opinion > (I would rather have that anyway). Be careful where you go with this logic. You could say the same of **** spam... where the harm if you don't open the email and go to the site. If it > happened to be something worthwhile that you > hadn't heard about yet, am I a jerk for > telling you about it? Again, this is a spammers logic.... "what is so wrong about emailing your Cheap Computer Deal to 20 million people who have computers. If it's worthwhile, am I a jerk for telling you about it." So I already joined, I > still wanted your opinion. IMHO (not worth > much in this department as a newbie), the > corp site is not bad, but it is a far > contrast to the marketing copy I see written > by all you veteran marketers out there. When most people ask for opinions on things, it is because they are still in the decision making process and will ad the opinion to that process. Not after they have made the decision and joined. You can clarify it all you like. I'm just telling you how it comes across... people who ask opinions of things they have already joined is a typical MLM and online trick and any post that does that is viewed accordingly. > The SOUL PURPOSE of my post was to ask about > making my own "mini-site"/gateway > page/portal page (I haven't learned all the > terminology yet) that would introduce and > sell or pre-sell, hook, whatever before they > are forwarded on to the isp site. And how to > set up the first small mini site for the > organics & health subjects. Fine. Then that is what was needed to be focused on. Think of asking in person... Would you go up to someone and say, "I need your help. How do I do this and this and that? And here is my card it has a great business opportunity do you want to know more?" You would not think of doing it in person, and yet that is what you post come across as. I thought > something with some great copy, > testimonials, offer for a freebie or two, > newsletter offer, notices of my other sites > or products, would be the way to get > started. Isn't this what I see all you > master marketers doing? Maybe I'm wrong > here, but the isp site just doesn't ring > with killer copy. Now that I think about it, > they probably avoided hypey-killer copy to > sound more professional & business-like. > Where do you draw the line between hype copy > that sells and sounding like a pitch-man? > I also wanted a small, quick site to offer > newsletter sign-ups for the organic farm and > health sites, so that I had something to > offer and start building interest until I > get enough content for the main sites. > AND, how to do this on a very limited > budget? More comments to follow... > Yes, definitely, and I really can't tell you > how much I appreciated your valuable time > and opinions. Not just Michael, but everyone > out there. I've always told my son: you can > learn something from everyone, some good > some bad, the challenge is how much value to > put on each source. So thank you all for > your advice, sorry I came across wrong and > missed out on a lot of it. > Didn't mean to come across as pushing the > biz-op. > It was my first online attempt at writing a > catchy little phrase to get people to click. > It was kind of exciting to have something to > put at the bottom, just wanted to get my > feet wet. Had no idea that it would create > such a backfire. Again, it was not the title of the link. It was the WAY the link was used. PS here a biz op. Understand? > How much difference would it have made if I > hadn't been asking about starting on a very > low budget? > Biz-op aside, it is offering a real quality > isp service for half what AOL users are > paying for lame service plastered with ads. > All those people leaving AOL & MSN need > a decent isp. I would rather and will soon > be offering things in my areas of expertise. > I didn't know this was a terrible thing to > put up in the meantime, or that it would > mean I couldn't get answers to questions > about how to get the main subjects online > quickly and on a tight budget. See notes about this link previously mentioned. > I guess the link should have > "sold" the isp service instead of > sounding like it was just pushing a biz-op. Again. Not the link itself. While the affiliate link was part of it, also was the way it was linked to. > I know that's bass-ackwards and when I tell > friends or contacts about it, I present it > as a good isp with the biz-op as a fringe > benefit if they want it. No. The bizOp should NOT be mentioned as a fringe benefit. Just sell the product. Take a lesson from Avon... each Avon lady sells the product, they don't sell you a bunch of lippy and tehn say, "By the way, you can also sell Avon and make some money." > Yes, thankyou for Great Ideas. Very well > earned title. Thank You. > We are working on a cookbook. The health > food stores would be a great outlet. Thanks. > I also want to get it online as fast as > possible. I noticed that health is usually > in the top five search subjects. Also that > there are way, way, too many hucksters > pushing various supplements as the key to > health, most some form of mlm. What is the > best way not to get lost in the multitudes? The best way to not get lost in all the MLM health crap is to NOT sell health related products online. Baring that, be the expert of your chosen health area. The same old methods... articles, forums answers, own email list, etc. > If you or anyone else now feels better about > taking the time to respond, any advice would > be greatly appreciated. > I'm still glad to advise anyone interested > in organics or natural vegan health. Can't help yourself, eh? :o) Okay, here we go... Cheap domain hosting can be had a doteasy.com They will give you FREE ad-free hosting and domain registration for $35. No cgi, or any accessorise. Just hosting. So if you will only be using a redirect page, then this might serve you well. As for the pages in question... Just tell it like it is. If you're after affordable internet hosting then you're in the right place... My name is David Horn. I am NOT a professional copywriter. But what I have to tell you is so important I decided to write this myself. Here's what it's all about: And now go on from there. Just tell em what you want to tell them. How you found the IP, the difficulties you previously had. Etc. Then provide the link. Simple. Hope this helps. Michael Ross |
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