Comments on RJ's playboy club get together?

I agree with you all. I haven't seen his latest gross pics that fly under the guise of "business", but I deleted my subscription when he started getting WAY out of hand some months ago. Btw, that's when he first started advertising that par-tay, too. Don't worry, there are always going to be people who WILL attend & WILL take up for him, but take heart - - those are the same people who will belong to another, more undesirable club together, too ...maybe even meet again sometime at the local clinic...

Well, can't be helped...we tried to tell 'em! ~lol~

I've started a new Squidoo Lens to expose the Rich Jerk's sexist, homophobic advertising and to spur others to take action to oppose this decay in ethical standards:

The Rich Jerk's Sexist, Homophobic Advertising
http://www.squidoo.com/rich-jerk-sex...ic-advertising

Also see Jennifer Knox's Lens:

Internet Marketing and Women: Concerns About "Rich Jerk" Marketing
http://www.squidoo.com/marketingandwomen/

I note in my Lens that Sandi was the first marketer to speak out on this issue as far as I can tell. Bravo!

All the Best,

Mark

Thanks, Mark, but the real kudos should go to the other men and women who had the courage to stand up and be counted in this, and other, threads.

I followed your link, and several others that I found as a result. I even read every one of the Paul Galloway comments as well as his original posts. Most of the posts were supportive of his position, a few disagreed with some points, and a couple came right out in support of the opposition position. Fascinating reading.

Just wanted to thank everyone for their input. Your voices of integrity and examples of shining character as examples for future generations are more plentiful than I would have ever suspected. Thanks for helping to ensure a better future for all.

Sandi Bowman

Mark,

Thanks for taking action.

Are we feeling the Outrage yet? HA!

Quick Question. You have mention the RJ is Homophobic. I read his sales letter and didn't see any thing to indicate that. Maybe I missed it? WHERE is the evidence to back up the Label you just threw at him?

Michael Ross

Originally Posted by MichaelRoss

Quick Question. You have mention the RJ is Homophobic. I read his sales letter and didn't see any thing to indicate that. Maybe I missed it? WHERE is the evidence to back up the Label you just threw at him?

You have seen this, correct? If not, skip to the end. If you still have doubts, I'd love to hear them.

And there's the blog posting .

Later Losers,

RJ


P.S. No gays allowed.

Mark,

Thanks for linking to the video.

Unfortunately, they want me to Sign Up to view it. And I'm not going to sign up to something to help you prove your point. How about you give us a Transcript of the bit that you Think makes him Homophobic.

Which leaves his PS, "No gays allowed." How does that make him Homophobic?

Seriously? Gay means bright, bubbly, cheery happy.

It's also been used as a term of ridicule and to Knock something or express your dislike at something. E.g. You see a car that you don't like the look of and you think the airbrushing on the side is silly and you remark, "That car is so Gay."

Some Same Sex Fetishists do refer to themselves as Gay.

Now, his PS might mean, he doesn't want any Happy people there. And going by his Angry Boy writing style I could clearly see that. He might also not want any Stupid Heads, Idiots, Morons and other's like that which he calls Gay. And third, he might not want Homosexuals - as if he'd know how to spot one.

To add more. If he does mean Same Sex Fetishists he just might not want them at this event because... he knows they won't have a good time (unless they are Female Same Sex Fetishists). And so he makes that "No gays allowed" remark. However, that does not mean the man has an overall prejudice against Same sex Fetishists.

Based on the above, it is a stretch to call the man Homophobic.

I'm not giving the man a pass - I've already expressed what I think of the matter elsewhere in this thread. But I'm hardly going to accuse the man of being Homophobic due to three written words. Otherwise it's similar to the games played by the likes of Jesse Jackson who wants to make Everything about race - so the Other side then wastes time defending a Label that shouldn't have been thrown in the first place, and the original topic is lost.

If, on the other boards in which there was deletion, you were more outraged and zealotry in calling names, then I can understand your message being deleted by the board owner.

Because it's Their Board and, like a newspaper, they have an onus on what stays up and is available to be read. If you call someone a name, or call them a Prejudicial Label, you had better be able to back it up otherwise the message will be deleted. It's that simple. (Say what you want on your own website or blog, but don't expect others to put themselves on the Libel/Slander Line for you.)

And so far, I see no evidence to throw a label around like that. Maybe the video shows something different. Like if he'd said he Hates Homosexuals or something. But writing "No Gays Allowed" does not make him any more homophobic than a store having "No smoking allowed" makes them Smokerphobic or a sign that says "No Skateboarding" makes the place Skateboarderphobic. Such places can have signs due to Insurance Liabilities.

Michael Ross

I just received an email from John Reese wherein he explains more about how he got involved, what he knew and, more importantly, what he didn't know at the time he sent the email and so on.

Basically he took full responsibility for the fact that he sent the email and promoted the 'marketing event'. Apologized profusely to not only the folks on his list but, especially to the women marketers who were 'excluded' and so on.

The newsletter/apology was eye-opening in many ways. Thought you'd like to know that he will be going to the event simply because he gave his word to be there and several folks are anticipating meeting him there etc.

I've known John for some time now and, frankly, I believe him ultimately. It takes a big man (or woman for that matter) to publicly admit when they've screwed up big time and, for that, I admire him even if his previous exemplary behavior didn't point that fact out to us unless we were paying close attention.

Apology accepted, big man. As One far greater than I once said: "Let ye who are without sin, cast the first stone".

My own saying: "When I am perfect, the rest of the world better shape up!"

Sandi Bowman

[Dien Rice]

Originally Posted by Sandi Bowman

I just received an email from John Reese wherein he explains more about how he got involved, what he knew and, more importantly, what he didn't know at the time he sent the email and so on.

Basically he took full responsibility for the fact that he sent the email and promoted the 'marketing event'. Apologized profusely to not only the folks on his list but, especially to the women marketers who were 'excluded' and so on.

I think there's a business lesson in John Reese's apology...

Sometimes, you may "tee off" your customers, and it may be an accident. What, then, should you do?

I think the best approach in most cases is to apologize. To "eat humble pie" - like John Reese did in the email Sandi is referring to.

That way, he probably minimizes any negative effect which he probably didn't foresee. And he gets to keep many of his customers who were "teed off".

I think it's a good general lesson in customer relations.

Best wishes, Dien

Kelly Felix/RJ...

Will be getting a Taste of his own medicine Too...

Controversial Marketing can Blow up in your Face...

Whether he Survives and/or Learns anything remains to be seen...

Interesting Squidoo...

Concerned about the direction of marketing to women? Why has marketing become so harsh, and who supports it?
http://www.squidoo.com/marketingandwomen

Phil