Why people hate their jobs, do you concur?

[GordonJ]

We know many people who hate their jobs, we know this because every year, millions start their own business or biz-op.

But why do they hate it?

My research, very unscientific, sez....

Many who hate their jobs, really hate their bosses/supervisors.

And I have a surprising conclusion...their bosses are NOT the A-holes we think they are (sure there are plenty of them, but...)

I bet it comes down to personality styles and COMMUNICATION styles.

You could spend a lifetime of study, but...here is a big shortcut.

It is a simple picture (oh Gordie does loves his pictogrigms)...

The one attached is a simplified Jung personality chart, and knowing what it shows, one can become a master communicator at breakneck speed.

My questions are:

Do you consider types when communicating to a business person?
Are you aware of the barriers of communication between different types?

Are you APPLYING your knowledge of human behavior for the mutual benefit of all you deal with?

All four types can be found as business leaders, and if you are having difficulty with a boss, or supervisor, have you considered changing your style?

GordonJ

[unpinkpanther]

I think this is an interesting take.

My VERY unscientific survey shows that most
of the people who start their businesses do
so for the FREEDOM. To feel as if they own
something in a society that does its best to
put them "in their place"

They feel caged, worsened by the usual
politics that goes on in most offices.

Sure, better communication could help one
get along well with the boss.

But the prisoner who learns to start chatting
happily with the prison guard will still feel
something is missing.

Or what do you think?

Gordon, I agree with you...I believe this is the "key"...or missing piece from most people's communication efforts..."know thyself"...first KNOWING who YOU are in relation to WHO other people are...having that basic understanding...at least intellectually...helps with your "approach" to others...some people who are more in tune with their "instincts" have the ability to naturally find common communication ground...while some of us have to come to that skill "intellectually" before the "instinct" kicks in...I've always known that I was a little "different" from others...I just couldn't put my finger on what was going on...now that I've been "around the block" a bit, I've been able to communicate better with others, but just recently I have full blown figured out WHO I am...I know their are multiple personality test out there...I've taken many...but it wasn't until recently that I've figured out that I am a classic INTJ type...and man, has THAT made a difference...in a lot of ways...I also believe this lack of real understanding (especially of our own selves) is why so many people have a hard time learning how to "sell" "make a reasonable offer"...and why there are sooooo many training programs and books on selling...mass confusion in the world.

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by unpinkpanther

I think this is an interesting take.

My VERY unscientific survey shows that most
of the people who start their businesses do
so for the FREEDOM. To feel as if they own
something in a society that does its best to
put them "in their place"

They feel caged, worsened by the usual
politics that goes on in most offices.

Sure, better communication could help one
get along well with the boss.

But the prisoner who learns to start chatting
happily with the prison guard will still feel
something is missing.

Or what do you think?

Prisoner?? Name 3 people you know in USA being held hostage by their job?

EVERY one, every single one asked for the job, they APPLIED for it. They raised their hands and said, pick me, me, not the other guy.

So, no, I don't accept the prisoner thing.

You may be right about the reasons for wanting to start a business, and of those that make an attempt to either start a business or a biz-op, less than 1 in 1,000 actually replace their job income and benefits with it.

Even then, too many become a prisoner and have a worse boss than when they were working for someone else. A new business owner, will, for almost 7 years...take less time off, get less vacation time, will work longer hours and make about the same pay as they did as an employee...

then that is the FREEDOM most obtain. And it probably feels like less of a cage than a job, but is it really?

Also, those same communication skills can help the new business owner rapidly increase his profits if he too understands his customers are all different.

FREEDOM is a powerful word in the "quit your job" marketplace, especially emphasized in MLM and Network cults, er, companies.

GordonJ

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by Fishman

Gordon, I agree with you...I believe this is the "key"...or missing piece from most people's communication efforts..."know thyself"...first KNOWING who YOU are in relation to WHO other people are...having that basic understanding...at least intellectually...helps with your "approach" to others...some people who are more in tune with their "instincts" have the ability to naturally find common communication ground...while some of us have to come to that skill "intellectually" before the "instinct" kicks in...I've always known that I was a little "different" from others...I just couldn't put my finger on what was going on...now that I've been "around the block" a bit, I've been able to communicate better with others, but just recently I have full blown figured out WHO I am...I know their are multiple personality test out there...I've taken many...but it wasn't until recently that I've figured out that I am a classic INTJ type...and man, has THAT made a difference...in a lot of ways...I also believe this lack of real understanding (especially of our own selves) is why so many people have a hard time learning how to "sell" "make a reasonable offer"...and why there are sooooo many training programs and books on selling...mass confusion in the world.

This is good for you, the MB instrument is one of the more used and a more fleshed out Jung personality types. I think it useful for getting to know yourself, just one such way to do so, but in the quick communication world of selling, reduce it down to the four helps.

Keep in mind, the MB is only 75% accurate by their own admission and it is important to not take it 'lock, stock and barrel" about any given type being YOU, it is like saying, "I'm a typical Aquarian" and make judgements on this assessment.

If it has helped you then this is great news.

See, the confusion with selling is...

THEY (the writers of sales books, the instructors, even successes in the field) try to reduce it down to a

one size fits all.

THEY teach off the rack ideas, they have formulas (like AIDA), and funnels and steps to yes all of that.

But very few actually teach the sales method of TCA total conscious awareness which will lead you to correct conclusions about the person you are trying to sell too.

NLP has the smarmy techniques which most people recoil from pretty quickly, but they at least try to get into the "mind" or mode of the prospect, and then turn it into heavy duty manipulation, which does work on some.

I don't think you need to know if the woman is the RARE INTJ to be able to sell her a diamond ring.

But whatever types, you and they, are...it is a two way deal. Or,

communication.

Too many salesmen only want it to go in one direction.

GordonJ

[unpinkpanther]

Originally Posted by GordonJ

...MLM and Network cults, er, companies.

GordonJ

Ha ha ha!

True

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by unpinkpanther

Ha ha ha!

True

add in all mlm, network marketing, Internet Marketing starts, including every web site and blog and affiliate site,

every guy tying to monetize facebook, instagram, youtube...

IF we could get a count, it would be more like not one in 10,000 dreamers of Freedom, the ones who do feel like prisoners...

and one in 10 k may be generous...

Counting those people too, the stats are for realz, sad, but true.

GordonJ

[unpinkpanther]

I think I now see what you are saying.

A lot of people spend their lives as very poor
communicators, and then wonder why they aren't
getting ahead.

So their real "prison" is their inability to
clearly define and communicate what they want.

Thanks for this insight; part of why I LOVE this
forum.

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by unpinkpanther

I think I now see what you are saying.

A lot of people spend their lives as very poor
communicators, and then wonder why they aren't
getting ahead.

So their real "prison" is their inability to
clearly define and communicate what they want.

Thanks for this insight; part of why I LOVE this
forum.

Bingo Plus.

But see, this is not taught in schools, it should be in elementary grades all the way through.

It has 2 parts; Self communication/communicating with others.

For over 30 years, my first question has been what do you want, followed by WHY? And sadly, most people can't answer this.

As it relates to selling, we as someone trying to sell know what we want, a sale.

Great salesman can be trained, or some are natural, especially when the greens and yellows get into selling, the RED types, and we've had our share here...

are the guys proclaiming how they can sell ICE to Eskimos, and are not shy about thumping their own chests or horn TOOTING, being 'little old me" so and so can do it, types.

These are ways to get faster results.
More sales, quicker sales, more satisfied customers.

Take pizza shops, and many of the independents are run by some gruff characters who probably don't fit in with the jobs they've had...and many are REDS. And they want to be the boss, who is RIGHT. All the time.

Knowing I'm walking into an independently owned shop, I observe how it is decorated, how it looks, then when I meet the owner, a couple of quick questions, instant cold reading...

And enter into the communication style which might best suit him. In his case, it is ALWAYS his conclusion he wants what I have, never me trying to persuade or tell him anything, I appeal to him being the boss and

you know better than I do about your business, is this a truth you've learned over the years (question about business)

His answer will be followed by the look of a grateful student who has just learned Einstein's secret, and with awe...supporting his need for this feeling. And I pretty much start telling him why he doesn't need it.

His strong desire to communicate that he is the boss, and he'll make the decisions and not me...will often as not be the Cialdini "commitment" signal and he will remain consistent with this DECISION which he made.

That sort of a thing.

But if the shop is a Franchise, the owner may have to run any advertising through the home office and I would communicate his desire to both tell the home office what he is going to do (be the boss) in a way that gets us both what we want, approval.

Knowing the types instantly helps, if you enter into a floral shop, the guy might be a yellow and want to please everyone, so his forte is great customer service, and I'd appeal to that right up front...

Well Mr. Novelli, I've heard you have the best customer service in the area, what would your customers think of _______.

BUT.... back on track.

We have to ask and honestly answer ourselves these questions, the

want, and why and

motivation and inspiration and where all this is taking us, and I just as soon slide down a chute to get further down toward the end of my game, than spend time climbing ladders.

Some salesman would rather climb a tall tree and tell tales, than to stay on the ground and just tell the truth...

here is what I can do for you. Want it or not?

Gets that simple when you are in TCA and work from types always serving the best interest of either Barney Fife or Aunt Bee types.

GordonJ