Question

Hello,
Lately I have been testing the concept of modeling based upon NLP.

Modeling is fantastic and it really does help if applied consistently.

Currently I wanted to alter my attitude because it is not at all that good.

Has anyone hear used or studied NLP and if so, with what results?

Taylor Trump

NLP has been touted as a "shortcut" to behavior programming. It is the basis for the Anthony Robbins' program and has proven to be effective.

There is a program called "Speed Seduction" which uses the NLP techniques effectively to seduce women. I know the guy who developed it and he started out in Los Angeles over 10 years ago selling a simple book called: "How to get the women you desire into bed." Now he gives seminars that cost over $800 per person. His approach is to put the women into a pleasant, positive state by asking her to think of a time when pleasant and "feel-good" things occured in her life. He then will touch her arm to "anchor" that feeling for recall at another time by touching that same spot. This can induce reference to those "feel-good" feelings and associate that with the person who is touching that spot! Then, by associating "feel-good" emotions with a certain person can stimulate additional desire to be with that person - for more "feel-good" emotions (hence- seduction).

This is an interesting concept because we've all experienced past emotional associations by hearing certain songs or the nostagic experience of looking at pictures. Those, too, are a form of "anchoring" for future recall.

Lawrence

Hello,
I am familiar with this gentleman also.

I have one of his courses but I study it for different reasons. I feel that it has more applications that can be used for marketing.

Anyhow, thanks for the input, I appreciate it.

Taylor Trump

> NLP has been touted as a
> "shortcut" to behavior
> programming. It is the basis for the Anthony
> Robbins' program and has proven to be
> effective.

> There is a program called "Speed
> Seduction" which uses the NLP
> techniques effectively to seduce women. I
> know the guy who developed it and he started
> out in Los Angeles over 10 years ago selling
> a simple book called: "How to get the
> women you desire into bed." Now he
> gives seminars that cost over $800 per
> person. His approach is to put the women
> into a pleasant, positive state by asking
> her to think of a time when pleasant and
> "feel-good" things occured in her
> life. He then will touch her arm to
> "anchor" that feeling for recall
> at another time by touching that same spot.
> This can induce reference to those
> "feel-good" feelings and associate
> that with the person who is touching that
> spot! Then, by associating
> "feel-good" emotions with a
> certain person can stimulate additional
> desire to be with that person - for more
> "feel-good" emotions (hence-
> seduction).

> This is an interesting concept because we've
> all experienced past emotional associations
> by hearing certain songs or the nostagic
> experience of looking at pictures. Those,
> too, are a form of "anchoring" for
> future recall.

> Lawrence

Taylor -

Check out Kenrick Cleveland's site, www.maxpersuasion.com, for info on NLP and persuasion - he has a zine archive that may interest you.

Bob

Hi Taylor,

> Currently I wanted to alter my attitude
> because it is not at all that good.

Here’s something that I tested. I have basically “Tried on” different attitudes for size. Whenever I didn’t like how I was feeling, or just wanted a change, I would do the following.

1) MOVE: Crank up the music and go jogging (This changed my state)
2) MENTALLY: I’d ask “What do I really want to be feeling most right now?”
3) MODEL: I usually pick a character from my favorite movie. I personally choose “NEO” from the movie the MATRIX
“How would NEO act in this situation?”
4) ACT AS IF: I would exercise my power of CHOICE and CHOOSE to act this way for a given period of time
5) I’d get some new perspectives and outlooks from doing this.

Like wearing different kinds of clothing, I have experienced many different emotions and attitudes. It actually can be fun. Especially if you want to change your attitude quickly.

Oh yeah I usually pay more attention to the types of food I eat as well.

> Has anyone hear used or studied NLP and if
> so, with what results?

A few years back, I was heavily into NLP. I mean swish patterns/ sub modalities/ Rapport/ modeling/Embedded commands etc. etc.

I basically needed to make a couple of changes myself, in different areas. I have used some of the concepts in a variety of situations especially when it comes to modeling. I have used modeling to gain more popularity at school, win at sports games, and be better at public speaking.

Taylor, you have chosen the NLP technique that I like the best, MODELING. I found that my personal CHANGE worked the best whenever I just ACTED as IF I already had the behavior of excellence I wanted. This wasn’t easy at first mind you. It actually felt really weird for a while as I tried on the new behavior for size. However once I persisted, I got accustomed to the new behavior.

The process I went through was basically this.

1) I was dissatisfied with my current situations
2) I decided that I wanted to change my behaviors to get very specific results
3) I found a Model of the behavior that I wanted for me
4) I began to ACT like my model in the SPECIFIC area of my choice
5) Got the Evidence/Results

Personal Examples:

Problem:

In high school I really wanted to change my image. According to my friends I was very quiet, smart, businesslike (proper) yet sweet person. Heck in their eyes I could do NO wrong. “Duane would never do that” they’d say. The look of horror on their face when they first heard me curse at a track and field meet was classic. The image was a positive one, however I wanted to STOP being treated like the EXCEPTION.

Models:

I found people that were “popular” in school and “funny” and modeled some of their attitudes IN MY STYLE. (Funny man Eddie Murphy was one of my models…less the excessive swearing.)

Results:
- Girls started to open up to me and share some really intimate details. Hey this was new.
- Friends started to laugh more and say things like “Duane you’re such a joker! You’re sooh Funny!” This took a while to get used to.
- Hey I won our school elections. By a HUGE Margin
- I was very shortly the most POPULAR person in the school.
- My marks began to slip…not to far though!

Sports Competition:

Problem:

- I could never beat this one friend at table tennis. He always beat me with his backhand smash. I too had a strong back hand smash, however the ball would fly off the table TOO often and there wasn’t as much power behind it as his.

Model:

My model was my same friend :->
I asked HIM if he noticed any difference between my backhand and his.

He DID

He happily told that my backhand swing arc was TOO WIDE. I should narrow the ARC so my paddle was closer to the table. He also told me to put my entire body into the swing as opposed to just my arm strength!

Results:

I beat him for the FIRST time ever the VERY NEXT GAME! AND THE NEXT! The look of SHOCK on his face was priceless!

Whoa! This post is becoming quite the book.

Conclusions:

“People are so focused on mastering the weapons they are not paying attention to the target. Remember the target dictates the weapon, the weapon dictates movements.”

Taylor I’m not sure about your target i.e. (What attitude you do want), however there are other weapons/technologies/methods/processes that might be simpler than NLP to help you get to your target.

Take care Taylor!

Duane O. Adolph

P.S
Let me know if you’d like some books or other resources. My room is full :->

> Hello,
> Lately I have been testing the concept of
> modeling based upon NLP.

> Modeling is fantastic and it really does
> help if applied consistently.

> Currently I wanted to alter my attitude
> because it is not at all that good.

> Has anyone hear used or studied NLP and if
> so, with what results?

> Taylor Trump

Wow! The most popular guy in school and an avid table tennis player? Maybe I should take a swing at this NLP myself! :o) (j/k)

Speed seduction sounds like an interesting way to apply NLP. Does this mean that if I think about a "feel-good" time in my life while touching my own arm that, eventually, everytime I touch my arm, I'll be able to seduce myself? :o)

If you Fully experience the sensation and not just think about it. And at the height of your experience, you touch your arm in a unique way, you should be able to re-experience the emotion the next time you touch yourself in a unique way.

This is one reason that different people have different erogenous zones or fetishes.

NLP calls it anchoring.

Duane

> Speed seduction sounds like an interesting
> way to apply NLP. Does this mean that if I
> think about a "feel-good" time in
> my life while touching my own arm that,
> eventually, everytime I touch my arm, I'll
> be able to seduce myself? :o)