Migrant Success Secrets

> They NEVER worked in this country, they
> NEVER lived in this country.
> That's a fact, this is what you call
> 'inherent' in being an immigrant.

Yes. That is true. There is another something though.

The rich (migrant or not) know this and live by it. Most of the public don't know this... and if they do... don't live their life by it. In fact, they seem to do exactly the opposite. From early on in their life too. They do it because they can.

Migrants couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Not being able to do it, they are FORCED to go without. Being without gives them an advantage. Most people only get to the level migrants start at, very late in their life - if at all.

> Now, summing up some 'no's (from my previous
> post):

> 7. no language
> 8. no credit history (status)
> 9. no employment history (status)
> 10. no rental history (status)
> 11. no driver's license (and record)
> 12. NO EXPERIENCE of working in a new
> country

These conditions... these points... mean what?

They are forced to go for menial, minimum this and that.

What, besides higher paying jobs, can't they get? And why is that lack an advantage over everyone else?

Everyone wants to get ahead in life. But something keeps holding them back. That something is not present in a migrant's life.

This thread is good. A lot of good answers are being given. About the attributes a migrant has that most others do not.

There is someone who, I believe, would spot the missing element in a heart beat if he were reading. So he must be having a week off or be on the road. But that is neither here nor there.

To hint again... it was revealed in Karol's original post. It is in there, for those with eyes to see. He even mentions it outright - without realizing it, of course.

Michael Ross

survival.

If my memory is correct, physical survival is the #1 hierarchy of human needs.

Do I win the steak knifes, Michael?

Robert Campbell


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While physical survival is the number one human (and all animal for that matter) need... it is not an advantage. It - the need to survive - is had by all and not migrants only.

Michael Ross

Hi,

You wrote:
> From the outside, migrants appear to have a
> higher proportion of successful people from
> their numbers than people born within the
> country.

I seen a book recently (link follows this message) that supports your assertion. This book profiles the wealthiest 100 American businesspeople of all time. Ben Franklin is on the list as are the two soapy guys who started Amway.

[quote]

Looking over the list, I think the most interesting aspect of the list is how many of these successful entrepreneurs were immigrants, their sole baggage on the long ocean voyage little more than a large dream. Andrew Carnegie, John Jacob Astor, Stephen Girard, Alexander Stewart, Frederick Weyerhauser, William Weightman, Claus Spreckels, Anthony Brady, Adolphus Busch, John Kluge, Joseph Pulitzer, Samuel Slater, and August Belmont were not native-born Americans. In fact, five of the top ten were born in Europe and came here seeking a better life, which they ultimately found.

[unquote]

Hope this adds something to the thread you're building.

Best,

- Boyd


Wealthy 100 Wealthy 100 Wealthy 100 Wealthy 100

Looking over the list of the UK's richest - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,2108,00.html - there are also a heck of a lot of migrants. And very few "internet, hi-tech" guys.

Now, there is a clue in the quote below...

> [quote]

> Looking over the list, I think the most
> interesting aspect of the list is how many
> of these successful entrepreneurs were
> immigrants, their sole baggage on the long
> ocean voyage little more than a large dream.

> [unquote]

> Hope this adds something to the thread
> you're building.

Oh yes, Boyd, it does.

The cryptic puzzle awaits solving... :o)

Michael Ross

Migrants don't have the internal governer most of us "Natural Borns" have that tugs at our gut and says, "ah, that can't be done because..."

Their naivety is an asset.

James




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> Migrants don't have the internal governer
> most of us "Natural Borns" have
> that tugs at our gut and says, "ah,
> that can't be done because..."

This goes hand-in-hand with what I mentioned to Jack. Most people would not think they can go live in another country. The migrant is not stopped by those thoughts. They take more control of their life.

But there is another advantage. It is a bigger advantage.

Migrants have it. Most people don't. Most people only get the advantage once they are in a position in which they can't make full use of the advantage.

Michael Ross

One advantage an outsider has is the ability to more clearly see the obvious opportunities and problems unhampered by the judgement and cultural baggage of the insider.

Whenever we label ourselves (American, Christian, lawyer, mother) we assume a set of shared preconceptions as the price of that membership. These judgments and unwritten rules color and warp external reality to fit the picture the group has of it's position in the world.

The outsider has (at least for a limited time) the opportunity to see things more objectively.

> One advantage an outsider has is the ability
> to more clearly see the obvious
> opportunities and problems unhampered by the
> judgement and cultural baggage of the
> insider.

Good point. Already covered, though.

It is true they would seem to be able to see the opportunities more clearly. Yet for those who can't we have publications which reveal them. So that newcomers edge is not so big.

Michael Ross

Hi Michael and everybody,

*I apologize in advance if this post sounds like I'm bragging. In a way I guess I am.*

My family (Mom, Dad, brother, me) came to the wonderful US of A from Poland 21 years ago, just 4 days shy of my 1st birthday...and just a few months before Marshall Law was instituted in Poland. Weren't we lucky?

Anyway...

We had 2 suitcases and $400.

My father was a well educated man who studied mechanical engineering in Poland.

He took a minimum wage factory job in the US because it's all he could get.

My mother had a Masters Degree in Chemistry (some specialization of it) and she stayed home to take care of me and my brother until I was 7. Then she got a MINIMUM WAGE job working as a chemist (in her specialized field...I, unfortunately, don't know exactly what it is.)

Today...
My dad works as a Senior Designer at General Motors. My mother works at a small environmental laboratory...no longer at minimum wage.

We now (yes, I still live with my parents!) live in a beautiful new house bigger (almost 3,000 square feet) than anything either of my parents probably ever thought they'd have.

It's already been mentioned, but the reason many immigrants make it is because they work one step at a time. There's no rush to be successful. They just want to live better than the day before and they'll do anything and everything in their power to get there.

No, my parents aren't millionaires and probably never will be. But how did they go from $400 net worth (essentially) to owning a new house, new cars, and not being in debt? Baby steps. Simple as that really.

They knew what they wanted and did what they could to get there.

Karol





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