Migrant Success Secrets

> This is also true. How is that an advantage
> though?

> It's an advantage they have the moment they
> arrive in the new country.

> Michael Ross

Michael,

It's an advantage because they don't have a choice. They know what they want, that is survive, and they do whatever it takes to get there.

We who have been born in a country have so many choices ... sometimes too many. We're constantly being bombarded with choices.

With migrants, it's cut and dry. Survive.

So I stand by my answer: "They knew what they wanted and did what they could to get there."

So what do you think Michael? Warm or cold?

Pete Godfrey

> It's an advantage because they don't have a
> choice. They know what they want, that is
> survive, and they do whatever it takes to
> get there.

They do have a choice about whether they do whatever it takes. They don't have to do whatever it takes because there is always welfare.

Granted, being forced to "survive" does give them a "skill" which they can then apply to other areas. The skill of ACTION.

But this "element" - which two people in this thread have gotten and which I have not told them they have gotten, yet (because I think it was a guess and not deduced so I want them to reason it out) - is not a skill or ability.

It is also something most people get later on in life. And "doing whatever it takes" is not something most people eventually get later in life.

> With migrants, it's cut and dry. Survive.

> So I stand by my answer: "They knew
> what they wanted and did what they could to
> get there."

> So what do you think Michael? Warm or cold?

Cold(er).

I'm glad you stood by your answer, though.

I asked about the advantage so you would reason it out. The reasons would make it clearer. And show why you chose your answer. Could help other people too. (Also shows you weren't just having a guess :o))

Michael Ross

Michael,

If I wasn't thinking before, I certainly am now. I'm going to sleep on this one.

Most people eventually get it later in life eh?

Now, what does that mean?

Thanks for the thread Michael.

Pete Godfrey

> They do have a choice about whether they do
> whatever it takes. They don't have to do
> whatever it takes because there is always
> welfare.

> Granted, being forced to "survive"
> does give them a "skill" which
> they can then apply to other areas. The
> skill of ACTION.

> But this "element" - which two
> people in this thread have gotten and which
> I have not told them they have gotten, yet
> (because I think it was a guess and not
> deduced so I want them to reason it out) -
> is not a skill or ability.

> It is also something most people get later
> on in life. And "doing whatever it
> takes" is not something most people
> eventually get later in life.

> Cold(er).

> I'm glad you stood by your answer, though.

> I asked about the advantage so you would
> reason it out. The reasons would make it
> clearer. And show why you chose your answer.
> Could help other people too. (Also shows you
> weren't just having a guess :o))

> Michael Ross

Migrants don't bring a fancy lifestyle with them. They have no fake standard to maintain to impress others because no one knows them. This helps them keep their ego in check. e.g., I have a masters degree like the father from Poland. What would my peers think if I used my masters degree as a window washer...

> Migrants don't bring a fancy lifestyle with
> them. They have no fake standard to maintain
> to impress others because no one knows them.
> This helps them keep their ego in check.
> e.g., I have a masters degree like the
> father from Poland. What would my peers
> think if I used my masters degree as a
> window washer...

How is this an advantage?

Michael Ross

> How is this an advantage?

> Michael Ross

Here is the advantage I was thinking of:

If you're a migrant far away from home, the voices of others (e.g., Mom and Dad, Peers, etc) have less of an impact so working a less glamourous job becomes easier because you're not surrounded by negativity from outside sources.

Regarding ego, I don't think it's a dirty word. It can go either way. Ego can push you to do things you might never try without the "attitude". An unchecked Ego however, might cause you to surround yourself with yes men and shut out good advice from others...

Hope this made sense.

Jack

They knew what they wanted and did what they could to get there.

Phil

> They knew what they wanted and did what they
> could to get there.

Phil:

This is true. And perhaps shows that whatever you truly want to do, you can. This embeds on their psyche and maybe makes them a better success.

But the element is something other people eventually get in later life. And I don't know many older people who sudddenly get a this "attitude"...

Michael Ross

> There seems to be an imbalance to success
> when migrants are added to the numbers.

> From the outside, migrants appear to have a
> higher proportion of successful people from
> their numbers than people born within the
> country.

> And this out-of-whack ratio applies to all
> western countries - migrants succeed in
> Australia more than Australians, migrants
> succeed in the US more than people born in
> the US, migrants succeed in the UK more than
> people born there.

> We can, in an initial and dismissive way,
> attribute this to some kind of work ethic -
> they work harder.

> And while that may be the case, that would
> be an observed result of something else.

> In other words... they tend to do jobs other
> people don't want to do. They tend to do
> menial tasks. "Idiot work." Often,
> it is thought, they do these jobs because
> they don't have the formal qualifications to
> do anything better (but what does
> "better" mean?).

> And while that may be true, there are many
> natural born citizens who also work those
> jobs and who do not succeed.

> Without formal qualifications many start
> their own little businesses. But again, if
> starting a business was all that mattered
> than plenty of natural born citizens would
> also go on to the success migrants do. But
> it doesn't happen.

> As a group, more successes come from
> migrants than from other groups.

> Why is it so?

> There is one thing all migrants have in
> common that gives them an advantage over
> natural born citizens. It is something all
> natural born citizens can also have, if they
> want to.

> Before I reveal it I want to hear what
> others think it is...

> So why do migrants tend to succeed more so
> than natural born citizens?

> Michael Ross

OK Michael maybe this is a little off. Could it be because they are new to the country they don't know what to expect and haven't yet learned the 3 most dangerous words (I know that) therefore they simply have a opened mind while others are close minded thus limited in their choices? The answer must be so obvious that I must be missing the boat because I just don't know any better or just can't see it because I'm looking at things through colored lens?

Steve Ski


Wealth, Science, and the "Law of Attraction"

> OK Michael maybe this is a little off. Could
> it be because they are new to the country
> they don't know what to expect and haven't
> yet learned the 3 most dangerous words (I
> know that) therefore they simply have a
> opened mind while others are close minded
> thus limited in their choices? The answer
> must be so obvious that I must be missing
> the boat because I just don't know any
> better or just can't see it because I'm
> looking at things through colored lens?

Okay... the answer is rather obvious. When you find out what it is you will think, "Of course." And you will see HOW it gives migrants the tremendous advantage it does.

I deduce it is hard to see because it would be like a fish trying to imagine a state of "no water." All his life all he knows is water. Trying to figure out "no water" is tough - not impossible but tough.

Michael Ross