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Old August 14, 2017, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: Taxes are a given.

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I don't consider my Gov't to be vultures. I've been to countries where life and liberty are not the sacred thing we have.

So, as it has been CLEARLY shown on the SQ1 PictoGrigm of Finances for te past 18 years:

http://www.sowpub.com/gordon/financialpicto.gif

The very FIRST THING, where your sources go first, is through TAXES. I have for 40 years advocated paying your taxes with a smile on your face and with the best CPA tax saving specialist you can find.

As for all the other things, do you know of a Gov't anywhere that doesn't issue id cards, tax cards, or isn't involved with their citizens?

I think most law abiding citizens understand their obligations. Although, as the so-called OPIOID epidemic shows, collecting taxes on what people spend their money on, can get a little bit hard.

I certainly didn't mean this to turn into a tax debate. You believe in paying your taxes w/a smile on your face. Good for you. I don't.

As for calling the government creatures names, well, I guess that is a matter of choice. Regardless of what other governments do to their citizens I don't live there. I live here. And, I have a say in what is done to me. Just like you.

I've been to other countries too. I guess that makes 2 people on this forum who have been outside the US. Don't care to discuss the atrocities I've seen. However, because they happen there doesn't mean they have to happen here. Just my thought.

You said, "I think most law abiding citizens understand their obligations." I'd bet a dollar to a donut you can't articulate this vague statement into something concrete.

Here's a hint for articulating about taxes: Use the tax code to point to a specific paragraph that says any of us have an obligation. For more help, read the Supreme Court decisions on paying taxes.

So, I will ask, what are the obligations of law abiding citizens? And if I am not a law abiding citizen do I have the same obligations? BTW, the movie, Law Abiding Citizen, certainly, in my opinion, touched on that very topic quite well.

My intent was never to pick an argument or stray one way or the other from your guidance. I was articulating a somewhat different point of view. As for my point on the biz license, hmmm, the silence is deafening.

You don't like licenses. I don't like licenses. But the gorilla likes licenses. How do we satisfy her appetite?

You also said, "Although, as the so-called OPIOID epidemic shows, collecting taxes on what people spend their money on, can get a little bit hard." Yes, it is quite hard to tax the pusher assuming people are spending their money on illegal activities. On the other hand, something called sales tax is collected on the legal drugs.

Now, to get a little deeper, something called civil asset forfeiture is being used to collect on those people, alleged and otherwise, in the drug trade. It also is being used on you and me.

Ohio is an example of CAF at its best. All the cops need to do is say they suspect you have the money in your pocket as a result of dealing drugs. Yep, and that applies to law abiding citizens too. Look up CAF and tell me it hasn't touched law abiding citizens.

Again, never intended to get deeper into life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than my initial post. The beauty of our mind is we can believe anything we tell ourselves. So, that's it.

Hope everyone makes a million bucks and spends it to their heart's content.
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