Dien, what other concepts has Harvey Brody shared with you?

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by ascendedmind

Gordon or Dien how do I access the article or page "Overnight Entrepreneur"?

I joined both of Sherman's sites. Ealliance.com & SDKHunter.com & I tried the search function with no results. Is it hidden?

Plus I would love to read the secret pages. Please consider sharing this with me.

To be CRYSTAL CLEAR...

I am NOT an affiliate, have nothing to do with the site...I'm simply reporting on it for those who want to know more about the whole toll position strategy.

I doubt there will ever be a Harvey Brody update or anything new from his camp.

The year of work I did on the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project is locked in a vault, and I don't have permission (nor inclination) to share any of it.

Sherman Hunter told me the site is in transition, so even though we old members had access to the old stuff, this new site is a work in progress.

I did ask Sherman the other day about the report you mentioned, I think (but don't know) it is in revision. The secret site I would show Dien, and that should have been a private conversation, My BAD on that,

they will be open soon enough to the public and the FREE membership.

So, I want to make this perfectly clear, so there is no misunderstanding...

I have nothing to gain by reporting on this site. I do so because some of you have been hoping to see a Harvey Brody thing, but that ship has sailed.

IF you are interested in "Overnight Entrepreneur", or any of Sherman Hunter's stuff, my best advice is to contact his support team. I have nothing to do with it.

And also for the record, it has been 6 years since I posted OTHER resources on licensing, IP rights, and all that. It has been TEN (10) years since I asked Harvey the questions in the QOP report posted above.

So there has been ample time for anyone who has a serious desire to learn this stuff, and plenty of time to have gathered resources and been doing.

I think those who know what they want, and IF that includes a TOLL position will find
Sherman Hunter's

site to be useful.

All questions regarding HIS site, should be directed toward him. I'm a simple reporter letting this group know his site exists.

Gordon
Jay
Alexander

Thank you Gordon, I appreciate your candor & appreciation of the toll position concept taught by Harvey Brody.

I was hoping Harvey would have more passion about sharing his business concepts etc.

I'm surprised Sherman has not fully accomplished this yet as both he & Harvey were discussing this over 30 years ago!

Too busy making money with the concepts & not enough time or passion to complete their vision?

Actually I learned just as much from you & Harvey's sales letters about the concepts almost as much what he taught in the course!

Too bad I no longer have his sales letters...

Again I appreciate you & Dien's passion about these concepts.

Btw, Gordon of course you want to share the following:

"The year of work I did on the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project is locked in a vault, and I don't have permission (nor inclination) to share any of it."

...If you didn't then why would you even be inclined to even mention it?

Now you just aroused my curiosity about the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project locked in a vault! Where are the keys?

Originally Posted by GordonJ

To be CRYSTAL CLEAR...

I am NOT an affiliate, have nothing to do with the site...I'm simply reporting on it for those who want to know more about the whole toll position strategy.

I doubt there will ever be a Harvey Brody update or anything new from his camp.

The year of work I did on the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project is locked in a vault, and I don't have permission (nor inclination) to share any of it.

Sherman Hunter told me the site is in transition, so even though we old members had access to the old stuff, this new site is a work in progress.

I did ask Sherman the other day about the report you mentioned, I think (but don't know) it is in revision. The secret site I would show Dien, and that should have been a private conversation, My BAD on that,

they will be open soon enough to the public and the FREE membership.

So, I want to make this perfectly clear, so there is no misunderstanding...

I have nothing to gain by reporting on this site. I do so because some of you have been hoping to see a Harvey Brody thing, but that ship has sailed.

IF you are interested in "Overnight Entrepreneur", or any of Sherman Hunter's stuff, my best advice is to contact his support team. I have nothing to do with it.

And also for the record, it has been 6 years since I posted OTHER resources on licensing, IP rights, and all that. It has been TEN (10) years since I asked Harvey the questions in the QOP report posted above.

So there has been ample time for anyone who has a serious desire to learn this stuff, and plenty of time to have gathered resources and been doing.

I think those who know what they want, and IF that includes a TOLL position will find
Sherman Hunter's

site to be useful.

All questions regarding HIS site, should be directed toward him. I'm a simple reporter letting this group know his site exists.

Gordon
Jay
Alexander

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by ascendedmind

Thank you Gordon, I appreciate your candor & appreciation of the toll position concept taught by Harvey Brody.

I was hoping Harvey would have more passion about sharing his business concepts etc.

I'm surprised Sherman has not fully accomplished this yet as both he & Harvey were discussing this over 30 years ago!

Well, passion, is a pretty personal thing, isn't it? Sherman's site has been around for years, and for the active members, it fulfilled what he purposed it for. He told me, there were too many INactive, do nothing types (my words, not his)...that it was clogging the place.

Harvey SHARED his business concepts, all those reports are mostly still available, try eBay...and he shared through both myself and Dien. My first response sheds light on one of his most ADVANCED concepts, probably a 7th gear project. A concept he is doing in 2016.

Too busy making money with the concepts & not enough time or passion to complete their vision?

Partly true, no doubt...again, I can't speak to either man's passion and I would say, from my experience here for 15 years and 50 years in the business arena...the VISION of a 35 year old man may not be the same as the vision of a 65 year old. The only vision I'm aware of was their desire to share and make it a better world, both have done this through their works.


Actually I learned just as much from you & Harvey's sales letters about the concepts almost as much what he taught in the course!

EVEN MORE, because those 5th, 6th and 7th gear concepts were barely touched upon, and, of course, technology has changed a great deal in the last 25 years.

Too bad I no longer have his sales letters...

Might try google, I might have seen them in one of those "collector's" swipe file.

Again I appreciate you & Dien's passion about these concepts.

We have applied these concepts in our own lives and businesses, and we both frequently consult our notes, and our audio. Always find a nugget everytime.

Btw, Gordon of course you want to share the following:

"The year of work I did on the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project is locked in a vault, and I don't have permission (nor inclination) to share any of it."

...If you didn't then why would you even be inclined to even mention it?

NO. The reason I did mention it is very simple...it was a HOT topic at the forum for a long time as I shared ongoing reports about what was happening...for me, it was a Milk and Honey project.

I was paid (very well) for the work, that was the milk part...I had a piece of the action when or if it worked...that would have been sweet, the honey, but I give myself credit for at least structuring the deal where I didn't work on spec, and with the PASSION I had for the project, I very well might have. Many members here were following along, and...

were looking forward to the updates from both men. I was and remain disappointed my work was never seen, BUT, I was paid.

I guess Ben has the keys to THAT vault, and after just spending the last year in prison, my understanding today is, he's working on rebuilding his company and my best guess is, doing some heavy thinking about his/its future.

Also, it's not like I haven't answered questions, both here and privately and have shown a willingness to share what I learned...I just avoid saying anything that was covered under the agreement.

And you are right, we can all learn a lot from what they do, and neither man has any hidden away secrets that aren't readily available elsewhere.

Many

Now you just aroused my curiosity about the Ben Suarez/Harvey Brody project locked in a vault! Where are the keys?

Many librarians, collectors and vicarious thrill seekers visit here, the Warrior Forum and other places. They get a high of sorts from the knowledge.

They KNOW.

But they don't do.

You can find them here, at other forums, blogs and Facebook groups. We might think of them as groupies. The men have their man caves, where books and video and notebooks sit upon their shelves...sometimes representing thousands of dollars spent...

they can talk about Abraham, Kennedy, Halbert...or the old masters, or the online gurus because they bought the courses. They usually have a favorite, they are fan boys.

But they don't do.

And over the last 15 years, we have shared as much information here as anywhere on the internet, and have shed light on concepts, strategies, and methods which have been tested and proven.

We have given away tons and boatloads of information, as has the participating members.

We long ago realized a huge percent of all people do NOT do.

I can name 10 people off the top of my head who have both Cossman and Brody material....and have never sent a single letter to a company or person seeking STORED VALUE. They KNOW about Toll Positions.

They do not DO.

Harvey Brody became a favorite subject here because he responded to a post we made early on in the SowPub project. I got one of the original courses back in the 70s, and actually applied some of his concepts.

But he is just ONE man with the "perfect" business for him. I've spent a lifetime around scores of people who were DOING their perfect businesses.

There is no one size fits all. It is good to learn and study...

but it is better to apply.

IF Sherman Hunter (or anyone) is only going to be part of someone's library...then what he is doing today, probably is going to be a waste of time for that person.

Gordon Jay Alexander

Gordon, I really enjoyed reading your responses, If I may ask what allegedly did Ben do to get incarcerated?

Did he get cocky & forget what he experienced in the 70's regarding his bread fiasco with the FDA?

It appears Harvey does not tolerate any business person who tangles legally or illegally with the government. Perhaps this why he distance himself from both Gary Halbert &/or Ben Suarez?

Gary Halbert & Dan Kennedy once said & realized most of the courses or information products do not get open or even read! The 80/20 rule more likely the 95/5 rule.

Originally Posted by GordonJ

Many librarians, collectors and vicarious thrill

seekers visit here, the Warrior Forum and other places. They get a high of sorts from the knowledge.

They KNOW.

But they don't do.

You can find them here, at other forums, blogs and Facebook groups. We might think of them as groupies. The men have their man caves, where books and video and notebooks sit upon their shelves...sometimes representing thousands of dollars spent...

they can talk about Abraham, Kennedy, Halbert...or the old masters, or the online gurus because they bought the courses. They usually have a favorite, they are fan boys.

But they don't do.

And over the last 15 years, we have shared as much information here as anywhere on the internet, and have shed light on concepts, strategies, and methods which have been tested and proven.

We have given away tons and boatloads of information, as has the participating members.

We long ago realized a huge percent of all people do NOT do.

I can name 10 people off the top of my head who have both Cossman and Brody material....and have never sent a single letter to a company or person seeking STORED VALUE. They KNOW about Toll Positions.

They do not DO.

Harvey Brody became a favorite subject here because he responded to a post we made early on in the SowPub project. I got one of the original courses back in the 70s, and actually applied some of his concepts.

But he is just ONE man with the "perfect" business for him. I've spent a lifetime around scores of people who were DOING their perfect businesses.

There is no one size fits all. It is good to learn and study...

but it is better to apply.

IF Sherman Hunter (or anyone) is only going to be part of someone's library...then what he is doing today, probably is going to be a waste of time for that person.

Gordon Jay Alexander

[GordonJ]

[quote=ascendedmind;36631]Gordon, I really enjoyed reading your responses, If I may ask what allegedly did Ben do to get incarcerated?

You can find this by Googling Ben. It had to do with political contributions. As I understand it from reading the news, it was a "crime" committed before Corps became people, making political donations less of an issue. You can find details through the search engines. It may have been timing, and today, I doubt it would even get noticed.

Did he get cocky & forget what he experienced in the 70's regarding his bread fiasco with the FDA?

He fought hard for what he believed in, and he spent a lot of money which helped many marketers with what they were doing. The list of Direct Marketers fined, warned, chastised by the alphabet agencies is long. Now your questions have taken a spurious turn. I won't be provoked and neither man needs my help, but, I will issue you a SowPub warning to choose your words wisely, fair enough?

It appears Harvey does not tolerate any business person who tangles legally or illegally with the government. Perhaps this why he distance himself from both Gary Halbert &/or Ben Suarez?

Again, how would I know their "tolerances"? To my knowledge, he may still be working with Ben, and I'm pretty sure Gary spent his last week of freedom, before Boron, as a guest of Harvey's. Wouldn't call that distance, would you?

Gary Halbert & Dan Kennedy once said & realized most of the courses or information products do not get open or even read! The 80/20 rule more likely the 95/5 rule.

And from what I understand, neither one cared. What is the point? Anyone who has sold information, old mailorder style or digital, knows about the vicarious thrill seekers. I'm not prejudiced against any of the buyers of my information, if they want to DO, I may help.

If they want to collect, if they want to KNOW, that's OK.

Now, I'm probably not going to answer any more questions here, especially ones whose answers can be found with an easy google search.

I do appreciate you asking about the Toll Position Concept, but, it seems to be a horse that doesn't need any new flogging.

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Gordon it was merely question & it was not designed to provoke you or disrespect Ben. Even though it would appear someone had an agenda towards Ben. Why would Harvey even comment about it? I did not even ask.

In fact Harvey would speak about there lack of hindsight, when it came to other practical matters. For example, Joe Karbo's eating habits regarding his poor health. Died way too young

I don't believe Harvey's intent was to belittle them, but to demonstrate a total mindset to have regarding everything in life & not just limited to business or the making of money.

I know many financially successful businessman, but who don't have a prosperous home life or marriage.

Most people limit their thinking just to Harvey's toll position concepts or his making of money, however he does speak spiritually in a round about way.

Harvey & Ben along with other marketing masters are just imperfect men like the rest of us... as reflected in the challenges of our ever day life.

I do appreciate you sharing your life experience & knowledge as well as others, so please do continue...

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by ascendedmind

Gordon it was merely question & it was not designed to provoke you or disrespect Ben. Even though it would appear someone had an agenda towards Ben. Why would Harvey even comment about it? I did not even ask.

In fact Harvey would speak about there lack of hindsight, when it came to other practical matters. For example, Joe Karbo's eating habits regarding his poor health. Died way too young

I don't believe Harvey's intent was to belittle them, but to demonstrate a total mindset to have regarding everything in life & not just limited to business or the making of money.

I know many financially successful businessman, but who don't have a prosperous home life or marriage.

Most people limit their thinking just to Harvey's toll position concepts or his making of money, however he does speak spiritually in a round about way.

Harvey & Ben along with other marketing masters are just imperfect men like the rest of us... as reflected in the challenges of our ever day life.

I do appreciate you sharing your life experience & knowledge as well as others, so please do continue...

are just imperfect men like the rest of us... as reflected in the challenges of our ever day life.
^^^
"That's a fact Jack".

When I had my golf shop in Hudson, OH, I was surrounded by dozens of Entrepreneurs and so-called "self-made" successes, many millionaires.

Being a Question Oriented Person, I often traded lessons, equipment for their business 'SECRETS', which they all had.

Didn't take this QOP long to figure out, some of these guys were just in the right place at the right time, they sold their companies to a bigger company. Sure, they were making mid six figures a year, but they became millionaires only by having what a deep pocket company wanted. Good for them and buying and selling businesses is a strategy we often discuss here.

So, I had to delve deeper and learn to discern which of the 'secrets' were useful to me, including their personal philosophies.

I'm more suited to a Gary Halbert/Harvey Brody strategy of NO employees or limited number, and I like the one man band approach they have offered as ONE template to follow. Also, family was very important to me, which gives me a tendency NOT to spend a lot of time on the strategies of the child free 'guru'. There are scores of IMers who don't worry about a family, some could (and have) lived in a tent. They never had the responsibilities of a family, so they were free to fail faster, which often led to faster success.Then this: as 4 examples; Ben Suarez, Rick Suarez, Rod Napier and Burt Morgan became some of the largest non hospita//university employers in Northeast OH.

Literally BILLIONS of dollars have been circulated because of the JOBS they offered. They had employees. NOT a good thing for ME and other one man bands...

But hundreds of employees. Combined, several thousand employees.

Ben built his company for friends and family. SCI has been a life saver to hundreds of people who were employees of the company.

MILLIONS of dollars were spent in the Akron-Canton area and hundreds of businesses were glad of it. Burt Morgan put thousands of people to work with the businesses he founded or co-founded. The affluent area of Hudson, OH was made even more so thanks to Burt.

When I walked the plush fairways of local country clubs LISTENING to the successful men and women, I maintained a perspective.

At THE Ohio State University, they have one of the Preeminent bands in college. The ritual of dotting the i, is a gift often bestowed upon successful alumni.

Perhaps, the one man band can see ways in which he would do it differently, maybe even more efficiently or effectively...

but then, the halftime shows would look pretty, pretty, pretty silly if we only watched the one man parading around the field, banging his own drum and tooting his own horn.

As a Question Oriented Person myself, a trained observer, keen on winnowing the best of all strategies which suit me...I often will listen, but may put some of the ideas up on the shelf, because they don't suit me...

nor my imperfections.

Gordon Jay Alexander

PS. If you are conversing with Harvey, why are you asking us questions?

Gordon, let me clarify. My conversations/questions were very brief with Harvey.

I would always ask for permission as I knew he did not like wasting his time. I had to rely on my intuition. This was not done within a short period of time but over a span of 30 years!

What's amazing is Harvey appears to be the same & sounds the same as if he did not even age. His mindset & philosophy reminds me of an old wise spiritual business sage with great perception & practicality.

All the successful businessman I knew loved business, but their lifestyle seemed all work & no play. Some worked w/o any sleep for days. They were absolutely driven, but many paid with damaged health & costly divorces.

George Haylings, remember him? Wrote & sold reports about unique & unusual businesses via classified & display ads. This guy lived the life in Southern Cal.

What I learned from reading & studying these marketing masters is how to live & create a lifestyle w/o getting rich & still be happy! No to many people can do this w/o getting bog down with debt & stress.

I live a very simple stress free life, but the cost of living has forced me to reexamine & restructure everything so I can still live the way I desire.

I'm amazed at how most the successful businessmen I once knew have either died or have aged rapidly (20 or more years beyond) including others with wage slave jobs.

Jay is there any question you would like me to ask Harvey? I don't want to assume your relationship with him. If I ask by phone he always answers any question I have. & No, I don't talk with him on a regular basis. But he does seem to remember me when ever I do call!

Originally Posted by GordonJ

are just imperfect men like the rest of us... as reflected in the challenges of our ever day life.
^^^
"That's a fact Jack".

When I had my golf shop in Hudson, OH, I was surrounded by dozens of Entrepreneurs and so-called "self-made" successes, many millionaires.

Being a Question Oriented Person, I often traded lessons, equipment for their business 'SECRETS', which they all had.

Didn't take this QOP long to figure out, some of these guys were just in the right place at the right time, they sold their companies to a bigger company. Sure, they were making mid six figures a year, but they became millionaires only by having what a deep pocket company wanted. Good for them and buying and selling businesses is a strategy we often discuss here.

So, I had to delve deeper and learn to discern which of the 'secrets' were useful to me, including their personal philosophies.

I'm more suited to a Gary Halbert/Harvey Brody strategy of NO employees or limited number, and I like the one man band approach they have offered as ONE template to follow. Also, family was very important to me, which gives me a tendency NOT to spend a lot of time on the strategies of the child free 'guru'. There are scores of IMers who don't worry about a family, some could (and have) lived in a tent. They never had the responsibilities of a family, so they were free to fail faster, which often led to faster success.Then this: as 4 examples; Ben Suarez, Rick Suarez, Rod Napier and Burt Morgan became some of the largest non hospita//university employers in Northeast OH.

Literally BILLIONS of dollars have been circulated because of the JOBS they offered. They had employees. NOT a good thing for ME and other one man bands...

But hundreds of employees. Combined, several thousand employees.

Ben built his company for friends and family. SCI has been a life saver to hundreds of people who were employees of the company.

MILLIONS of dollars were spent in the Akron-Canton area and hundreds of businesses were glad of it. Burt Morgan put thousands of people to work with the businesses he founded or co-founded. The affluent area of Hudson, OH was made even more so thanks to Burt.

When I walked the plush fairways of local country clubs LISTENING to the successful men and women, I maintained a perspective.

At THE Ohio State University, they have one of the Preeminent bands in college. The ritual of dotting the i, is a gift often bestowed upon successful alumni.

Perhaps, the one man band can see ways in which he would do it differently, maybe even more efficiently or effectively...

but then, the halftime shows would look pretty, pretty, pretty silly if we only watched the one man parading around the field, banging his own drum and tooting his own horn.

As a Question Oriented Person myself, a trained observer, keen on winnowing the best of all strategies which suit me...I often will listen, but may put some of the ideas up on the shelf, because they don't suit me...

nor my imperfections.

Gordon Jay Alexander

PS. If you are conversing with Harvey, why are you asking us questions?

[Dien Rice]

Originally Posted by ascendedmind

All the successful businessman I knew loved business, but their lifestyle seemed all work & no play. Some worked w/o any sleep for days. They were absolutely driven, but many paid with damaged health & costly divorces.

What I learned from reading & studying these marketing masters is how to live & create a lifestyle w/o getting rich & still be happy! No to many people can do this w/o getting bog down with debt & stress.

Hi AscendedMind,

There's no doubt that Harvey has "cracked the code" here... He does not get "bogged down," and he loves his life...

And you're right. A lot of "success stories" are actually very stressed out people.

Some "success stories" even do stints in jail...!

Harvey is actually a very spiritual person. I don't think he'd mind me sharing that that's another key to his success... He does business in a completely ethical manner...

Best wishes,

Dien

Harvey's aura emanates this spiritual aura or energy w/o even saying anything. It's the vibe you get from reading his copy or when you talk & listen to what he says.

He operates or thinks at a different frequency then the average successful business person does. Even at age 83 or 84 he's still passionate about what he does.

Harvey seemingly does not agree with the high priced ticket info seminars, which many make money from. I was rather surprised.

Think the likes of Tony Robbins, Robert Allen, Wade Cook etc as information peddlers. Most are based on hype & are not actually doing it or living it.

Originally Posted by Dien Rice

Hi AscendedMind,

There's no doubt that Harvey has "cracked the code" here... He does not get "bogged down," and he loves his life...

And you're right. A lot of "success stories" are actually very stressed out people.

Some "success stories" even do stints in jail...!

Harvey is actually a very spiritual person. I don't think he'd mind me sharing that that's another key to his success... He does business in a completely ethical manner...

Best wishes,

Dien