SOWPub Small Business Forums  
 

Click Here to see the latest posts!

Ask any questions related to business / entrepreneurship / money-making / life
or share your success stories (and educational "failures")...

Sign up for the Hidden Business Ideas Letter Free edition, and receive a free report straight to your inbox: "Idea that works in a pandemic: Ordinary housewife makes $50,000 a month in her spare time, using a simple idea - and her driveway..."

NO BLATANT ADS PLEASE
Also, please no insults or personal attacks.
Feel free to link to your web site though at the end of your posts.

Stay up to date! Get email notifications or
get "new thread" feeds here

 

Go Back   SOWPub Small Business Forums > Main Category > SOWPub Business Forum
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

SOWPub Business Forum Seeds of Wisdom Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old May 25, 2008, 11:12 PM
Phil
 
Posts: n/a
Default Turning lemons into Lemonade...

Well maybe...

If you can't Beat the system or figure things out...

Look for other ways to Cash in on things and recover...

Keep an Eye on the following and make sure your Money Making brainstormer is Always running...

It's just a matter of Turning lemons into Lemonade...

How to make money from $4 gas
http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/21/mark...ion=2008052115
http://money.cnn.com/video/#/video/n...52108.cnnmoney

Gas May Top $7 A Gallon
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...G=Search&meta=

Phil

Last edited by Phil : May 25, 2008 at 11:16 PM. Reason: additional info
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old May 26, 2008, 04:38 AM
MichaelRoss
 
Posts: n/a
Default Coal and Diamonds are not synonymous...

Sandi,

Thanks for asking.

Let me repeat myself...

"Oil is NOT a Fossil Fuel. It was Not made from large amounts of forest and dinosaurs Melting and percolating to become flammable sludge. Just because some bits old prehistoric fauna and flora may have been found in the sludge doesn't mean they melted to become the sludge."

You can take all your compost material and put it into an industrial crock pot for a thousand years. It will NOT miraculously turn to oil. That's because oil does NOT come from decaying plant matter.

Here's the false logic...

That bit of coal has some leaves and stuff in it. Therefore, it must have come from a lot of decaying plants and trees under heat and pressure.

Let me show you how this is wrong thinking with a slightly different example...

That small pool of water has some dead animal bones in the bottom of it. Therefore, the liquid which makes up that pool of water must have come from the dead animals as their cell walls collapsed.

Or...

The water came from all the dead plants. As they decayed they released the water from their cells and it became a pool of water.

We don't think water comes from dead plants. Yet will quite readily accept the same reasoning for coal and oil. If we find plants in a heap of mud we don't think the mud came from plants, but accept that reasoning for coal and oil.

As for a diamond being a lump of coal that stuck to its business...

They are not the same thing. Coal does not Turn into diamond. That's because coal is oil which has cooled down and solidified. Whereas a diamond is actually a Crystal.

And while I would like to think common sense could be applied to whatever energy needs we have, I won't hold my breath.

As long as we have politicians who think they can Tax their way to a better environment and Greenies and the like who think Humans and the carbon dioxide they put out (CO2 which amounts to like 0.06% of the atmosphere) are changing the climate on the entire plant, while ignoring the biggest temperature regulators we have (the ocean and the sun) and ignoring all past temperature fluctuation when humans were not present on this ball of mud, then we are a Lo-o-o-o-ong long way off from anything of use.

Here's what I'd like to see developed fully...

The Water Engine. It runs on water - one gallon of sea water has the same energy as a few of those Large oil tanks. Fill up your car would take a cup of water and do you for years. You could thus run your home on a small generator powered by a cup of sea water. Pollution... water.

Even if the Reaction can be controlled to give us small enough engines and the like, it is not in the interest of the politicians to have us not connected to a power grid they control and not in vehicles they don't have a say in via their gas-tax windfall. Because that would make use more economically successful. And financially free person is very hard to control.

Michael Ross
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old May 26, 2008, 04:45 AM
MichaelRoss
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Plenty and a I mean plenty of oil...

Andy,

Thanks for asking for our take on the video.

Having recently moved I am STILL awaiting for my broadband to be reconnected. It's supposed to happen tomorrow, or maybe Thursday, or as confirmed by my provider when I said, "You don't really know, do you?"... "No."

Once I am off the dial-up dinosaur I'll watch the vid and let you know.

I will say this though... ALL governments hoard oil. And they are Always buying more and adding to their Stash.

Michael Ross
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old May 26, 2008, 05:57 AM
Ankesh's Avatar
Ankesh Ankesh is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mumbai, India
Posts: 692
Default Re: Coal and Diamonds are not synonymous...

Quote:
Humans and the carbon dioxide they put out (CO2 which amounts to like 0.06% of the atmosphere) are changing the climate on the entire plant, while ignoring the biggest temperature regulators we have (the ocean and the sun) and ignoring all past temperature fluctuation when humans were not present on this ball of mud, then we are a Lo-o-o-o-ong long way off from anything of use.

Michael - have you watched Al Gore's movie - An Inconvenient Truth?

If you've seen it - what did you think of it?

I think he showed a slide that showed the rise in CO2 - without ignoring the historical fluctuations - but I'm not sure on my memory as I had seen the movie quite some time back...

I think they measured historical CO2 values by digging into the snow that was created thousands of years ago in Antarctica and evaluating the CO2 content in each layer of snow.

Each layer of snow gave the age of the snow and the CO2 content during that era.

And compared to past few thousand years, the CO2 today is at an all time high.

I'm not too sure how biased / unbiased that research was though. Haven't dug in deep in this topic at all.
--

I kind of have faith in Scott Adam's insight:

"Any doom that can be predicted won't happen." - Scott Adams

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old May 26, 2008, 08:52 AM
Andy
 
Posts: n/a
Default Michael, yor right and your wrong

"...it is not in the interest of the politicians to have us not connected to a power grid they control and not in vehicles they don't have a say in via their gas-tax windfall. Because that would make use more economically successful...."

If you watch the above mentioned video, you will see why we would not be more economically successful with other sources of fuel. You see, our gas prices are DIRECTLY connected to the national debt. The video explains this much better than I ever could. It shows why the prices are going up and probably will stay up and we have little hope of ever tapping into the oil reserves we have here in the US as well. Its not the greenies as everyone would have you believe.

I really hope this guy is a quack because if he's not and he is factual about what he talks about, we will soon have lots of lemons to squeeze.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old May 26, 2008, 03:04 PM
MichaelRoss
 
Posts: n/a
Default Carbon Dioxide, The CO2 Pump and the Gore Scam

Ankesh,

Thanks for mentioning Al Gore.

I have not seen the movie nor intend to - unless it's available for free. As I refuse to have some of my money go to that man.

Before I comment on the CO2 thing, let me throw this into the mix for you to consider...

Al Gore owns a company that sells Carbon Credits.
Al Gore is extremely vocal in telling people about Man Made Global Warming Caused By the Carbon Dioxide emitted by man.

Think Al Gore might have a vested interest in people believing CO2 which comes from humans causes changes to the Earth's climate?

CO2...

CO2 in the atmophere is subject to what is known as the Carbon Dioxide Pump. This Pump sees CO2 leave the atmosphere and enter the ocean in the cooler parts of the planet - and - leave the ocean and enter the atmosphere in the warmer parts of the planet.

Atmosphere => Water at the poles.
Water => Atmosphere at the equator.

Represented by this image...



It enters and leaves the water the same way oxygen does - via wave action and other actions that see the water's surface broken. (You put an aerator into a fish tank so each time the water's surface is broken a gas exchange takes place and the fish will not run out of oxygen.)

Thus, the Largest Contributor to the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is the temperature of the world's oceans. And Their temperature is governed by Geothermal elements (from within the Earth) and from that big glowing orb we see in the sky (Sun).

The cooler waters flow from the Poles into the warmer zones due to Surface Currents and Deep Ocean Currents. And despite the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" predicting an end to the deep ocean current flow, that would Only be possible if the earth were to stop spinning.

Other contributing factors of CO2 include Volcanic Eruptions. Which, have heard estimated, spew forth in a single day, the equivalent pollution level that would take Man 100 years to do.

And a Hidden CO2 creator is Bacteria. Remember that Self Contained Dome experiment. Their CO2 levels kept rising. And it was discovered it was due to the bacteria in the soil of their vegetable garden.

Ok. Here is a CO2 graph. It may or may not be the same one...



Notice how Temperature changes comes first and Then CO2 levels. Also notice that while we do have more CO2 now than in the past, that the warmer temperature is more sustained than in the past - thus allowing more CO2 to leave the oceans over longer periods of time, right?

As for more CO2 now. As well as the above, you mentioned, historic CO2 is determined by Core Samples. Yet current CO2 doesn't need to be determined that way, it can be determined by air monitoring. And there is a pretty good chance ice-bound CO2 levels differ from atmospheric bound CO2 and that Surface Ice Core Samples may also differ in CO2 content due to pressure from the ice - deeper ice is under higher pressures and may retain gases differently as a result.

Oh, BTW, Glacier Melt is governed by the amount of humidity in the air. So the only thing a melting glacier tells you is... it is more humid at That glacier at the moment. While some melt other grow. And melting ones stop and then have growth spurts.

The only thing we can guarantee about the planet's climate is.... it is NOT stationary. It fluctuates. From year to year (which we call seasons) and over vast periods of time.

To accept that Past changes were natural but this change which started thousands of years ago is caused by us, is just plain wrong.

Oh... you do know that some other planets in our solar system are undergoing warmer climates. Are we to blame for that too? And if not, why can the changes on those planets be natural but ours not, when we are bombarded by the same Sun Rays.

Michael Ross
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old May 26, 2008, 03:09 PM
MichaelRoss
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Michael, yor right and your wrong

Andy,

Thanks for adding.

The Key Words in what I wrote was... they control.

The more financially successful you are the less dependent you are on the Govt. The less dependent you are the harder it is to Control you.

Govts preach about freedom but then put in ever more restrictive rules. Thus, you are free to do whatever you want - as long as - it's within their rules.

Michael Ross
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Other recent posts on the forum...


Seeds of Wisdom Publishing (front page) | Seeds of Wisdom Business forum | Seeds of Wisdom Original Business Forum (Archive) | Hidden Unusual Business Ideas Newsletter | Hotsheet Profits | Persuade via Remote Influence | Affia Band | The Entrepreneur's Hotsheet | The SeedZine (Entrepreneurial Ezine)

Get the report on Harvey Brody's Answers to a Question-Oriented-Person


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.