Quick Question!

I am thinking about advertising in the ezine, but it seems very expensive. I know my website will help a lot of internet entrepreneurs out there, so I want to get it out there. As I said it is very expensive, has anyone advertised in the ezine. And what kind of results did you see? Thanks a lot.




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> I am thinking about advertising in the
> ezine, but it seems very expensive. I know
> my website will help a lot of internet
> entrepreneurs out there, so I want to get it
> out there. As I said it is very expensive,
> has anyone advertised in the ezine. And what
> kind of results did you see? Thanks a lot.

Hi JBW,

I noticed your link was to adplacing.com ... Out of curiosity, I clicked on the link and went there....

I must admit, the site looks suspicious to me.

To check it out more, I did a search at the "Friends in Business" message forum (which is good to find out about various biz-opps and -- dare I say it -- scams)....

To read what I read, go to this page and do a search for "adplacing" ....

The overall view there seems to be that they think it looks mighty suspicious too.... They say that while you might get paid some money, most likely it could take you a lot of work to make just a little bit....

To answer your question, to my understanding ads in some ezines could work well for some products -- though I'm basing this on what I've read, I haven't placed any ads in ezines myself....

It also depends on how good the ad is. An ad with too much HYPE will lack credibility....

In general, it depends on having a good match between the kind of people who would be interested in your product, and the readers of the ezine.... and how much the ezine is read! The main rule regarding ads in any medium is TEST, TEST, TEST....

Anyway, adplacing.com looks suspicious to me.... The "Current Ads" also looked full of HYPE, which to me isn't a good sign.... It's as if they don't even know how to write effective ads -- OR maybe they PURPOSELY don't want people to respond to those ads.... (Not that I'm the greatest at writing ads, but their "current ads" look even worse than the really bad ads I wrote when I just started trying to "experiment" with business online a few years ago....)

If you want to make money online, the FIRST thing you should do is read Gordon Alexander's "Before You Buy Anything," available right here at Sowpub.... And you can ask further questions here on this forum....

But, in my opinion, you're probably going to go much further by creating your own product, or even creating your own web site to sell products from an affiliate program (at least that will give you some practice selling, though it can be tough because there's lots of competition to sell identical products)....

I hope that helps.... :)

Dien Rice

Dien wrote -

> I noticed your link was to adplacing.com ...
> Out of curiosity, I clicked on the link and
> went there....

Yes. I was curious also. If you look at link "JBW" left, it was pointed to adplacing.com/member/JW1643. Looks suspiciously like an affiliate link to me. In addition, at the top of the page I saw "This page brought to you by: June Williams"

Also, "JBW's" e-mail address is suspect: [email protected]

Perhaps this is totally legit but it looks suspect to me. I think SowPub readers should view this is as a good example of how *NOT* to attract visitors to your web site.

Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"

Hi Dien,

I appreciate your reponse to my question and I am still researching the best ezines to advertise in for the least investment.

I also appreciate your honesty and you taking the time to research our company. However, our company is not a scam! This is also not a get rich quick program(scam)!We offer payment for real work! You really do have to work and put forth effort in order to see results as you would in any other business venture. We are a members of BIB(Better Internet Bureau). And we proudly stand behind and support all of our members.

We are a direct response Marketing Company. We are hired by various companies both on and off of the Internet to design & implement Ad Campaigns for them. Ad Placement provides a great service to our clients. By them not having to place Ads themselves, this allows them to concentrate on the sales end of their business.

I have had a great experience with CJ Holdings as have many others. I do not have scanner to scan my checks, however another member has done so and you can see the type of income generated from real work at: http://members.tripod.com/obxgirl/id21.htm

I am sorry you feel the way you do but it is understandable with so many unrealistic opportunities on the net today!

Again, I appreciate your input!

Thanks, JBW

> Hi JBW,

> I noticed your link was to adplacing.com ...
> Out of curiosity, I clicked on the link and
> went there....

> I must admit, the site looks suspicious to
> me. All legitimate companies I've heard of
> place their own ads....

> To check it out more, I did a search at the
> "Friends in Business" message
> forum (which is good to find out about
> various biz-opps and -- dare I say it --
> scams)....

> To read what I read, go to this page and
> do a search for "adplacing" ....

> The overall view there seems to be that they
> think it looks mighty suspicious too....
> They say that while you might get paid some
> money, most likely it could take you a lot
> of work to make just a little bit....

> To answer your question, to my understanding
> ads in some ezines could work well for some
> products -- though I'm basing this on what
> I've read, I haven't placed any ads in
> ezines myself....

> It also depends on how good the ad is. An ad
> with too much HYPE will lack credibility....

> In general, it depends on having a good
> match between the kind of people who would
> be interested in your product, and the
> readers of the ezine.... and how much the
> ezine is read! The main rule regarding ads
> in any medium is TEST, TEST, TEST....

> Anyway, adplacing.com looks suspicious to
> me.... The "Current Ads" also
> looked full of HYPE, which to me isn't a
> good sign.... It's as if they don't even
> know how to write effective ads -- OR maybe
> they PURPOSELY don't want people to respond
> to those ads.... (Not that I'm the greatest
> at writing ads, but their "current
> ads" look even worse than the really
> bad ads I wrote when I just started trying
> to "experiment" with business
> online a few years ago....)

> If you want to make money online, the FIRST
> thing you should do is read Gordon
> Alexander's " Before You Buy Anything
> ," available right here at Sowpub....
> And you can ask further questions here on
> this forum....

> But, in my opinion, you're probably going to
> go much further by creating your own
> product, or even creating your own web site
> to sell products from an affiliate program
> (at least that will give you some practice
> selling, though it can be tough because
> there's lots of competition to sell
> identical products)....

> I hope that helps.... :)

> Dien Rice

> Dien wrote -

> Yes. I was curious also. If you look at link
> "JBW" left, it was pointed to
> adplacing.com/member/JW1643. Looks
> suspiciously like an affiliate link to me.
> In addition, at the top of the page I saw
> "This page brought to you by: June
> Williams"

> Also, "JBW's" e-mail address is
> suspect: [email protected] Perhaps
> this is totally legit but it looks suspect
> to me. I think SowPub readers should view
> this is as a good example of how *NOT* to
> attract visitors to your web site.

> Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"

Hi Rick,

I do not think this is spam! This is the first time I have ever posted to this board! I asked a legitimate question because I have never advertised in an ezine before and would like to. I do not want to spend alot of money for advertising with little or no results as I expect most people would feel!

This board had nothing posted about not linking to an affiliate page. It says right at the top to feel free to link to your web page! And that is my web page! I also have another web page if you would like to see it ( this one I built my self). It is the first time I have ever built one so PLEASE be nice with comments on it. Link is below.

You may also be interested in reading my response to Dien.

Thanks, JBW




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Hi Rick,

I had my reservations too, but I thought I'd give June (JBW) the benefit of the doubt for now.... I suspect she could be an innocent victim, but may not realize it yet.... (My apologies June, this isn't to be mean or anything, just my view....)

Maybe something good can come from this....

Despite June's comments, adplacing.com still looks quite suspicious to me.... Though that's not June's fault. I read that to join, they charge $49.95, and naturally if you've paid $49.95 you WANT to believe it is a legitimate and good opportunity....

I suspect that the joining fee of $49.95 is where adplacing.com REALLY make their money, rather than in placing ads.... It's possible I could be wrong, but it looks suspicious....

Dien Rice

June wrote -

> I do not think this is spam! This is the
> first time I have ever posted to this board!
> I asked a legitimate question because I have
> never advertised in an ezine before and
> would like to. I do not want to spend alot
> of money for advertising with little or no
> results as I expect most people would feel!

I apologize if I misunderstood your post. I took it mean you were asking about posting ads using the URL you left. I did see the part about the ezine but I wasn't clear how that fit in. I misunderstood. Again, I'm sorry for that. Another thing that can sometimes make people think you're involved with spam is having a hotmail account. Now obviously not everyone with a free e-mail account is a spammer. But many spammers have been tied to free e-mail. Unfortunately, it's guilt by association. Again, I judged you incorrectly.

> This board had nothing posted about not
> linking to an affiliate page. It says right
> at the top to feel free to link to your web
> page! And that is my web page! I also have
> another web page if you would like to see it
> ( this one I built my self). It is the first
> time I have ever built one so PLEASE be nice
> with comments on it. Link is below.

You are correct. No problem with affiliate links. However, given that I thought you were posting a question simply to get traffic to your affiliate link.

I will also look at your response to Dien as well as your website.

Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"

June wrote -

>It is the first time I have ever built one so >PLEASE be nice with comments on it. Link is >below.

My comments are not meant to hurt your feelings but to provide positive feedback. The only way I know to give feedback is to just say it so here goes.

As I promised, I visited the other link you posted. I'm no site design guru, (just had a web site redesign done by a real expert), but I *have* studied direct response marketing and copy over the years. I've had a few small successes there as have others on this board. Since I'm not a web design expert, I won't comment on that aspect of your site. However, WRT the copy, I had this overwhelming sense that the whole thing was nothing but a listing of get-rich-quick-schemes. With phrases like "30 Mill Opt-Ins" and "blast your message", I think you can see how people will get the wrong impression. I found nothing that motivated me in that copy to check out any of the opportunities. That doesn't mean that you don't have legitimate opportunities. It means that you copy needs to be rewritten to show me why I should use any of your opportunities as opposed to the thousands of others that are available. You need to sell the benefits of your programs. (Don't leave out the features but you must lead with the benefits.) What will the prospect gain if they buy one of your programs? 30 million opt-ins is *not* a benefit. Let me share with you a technique I learned several years ago. The technique is called "So What?" and I learned it from a master marketer by the name of Jeffrey Lant. Here's how it works. The object is to turn features into benefits.

(Keep in mind that this is an example only and you must perform the process yourself on each of your own features.)

1. The ultimate goal is to get the benefit as close to an ultimate benefit as possible. Some marketers say that there are only a handful of ultimate benefits, like 20. Some even say that can whittle down to 3 (and if I remember them correctly); 1. Safety, 2. Relationships, 3. Making money.

1. Let's say we're selling a car with steel belted radials with seven steel belts and a 75,000 mile warranty. So that's the feature; steel belted radials with seven steel belts.

2. Now ask "So what?" Well, the seven steel belts provide for a stronger, more durable tire.

3. Ask "So what?" again. A stronger, more durable tire will handle better under more types of road conditions and all kinds of weather. (A glimmer of hope begins to appear but we're not there yet.*g*)

4. So we ask "So what?" again. Well, if my tires allow the vehicle to handle better in a multitude of weather and road conditions, the passengers, (probably my family), will be safer.

5. Ah! Now we've gotten somewhere. Saftey/security *is* one of the top ultimate benefits.

6. So our copy might say something like:

"XYZ tires are constructed differently from most tires. XYZ tires are constructed with seven steel belts as opposed to the industry standard of six steel belts. Our independent tests have shown that just the one additional steel belt improves handling X% in all weather and road conditions. And that means you can rest assured that your precious cargo will arrive safe at Grandma's house just in time for that all important turkey."

Well, the copy isn't perfect as it was off the top of my head. I'm sure Richard Dennis, Gordon or some of the others here on the board could work it over and make it much better. But I think you get the idea.

Rick Smith, "The Net Guerrilla"

> You may also be interested in reading my
> response to Dien.