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Old June 16, 2003, 10:31 PM
Simon Latouche
 
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Default Do I Have To Spell Everything Out? They Have NOTHING..

They Have NOTHING... And Have To Buld Everyhting

1. no cash
2. no clothes
3. no furniture
4. no home
5. no savings (hence, - no 'security')
6. no car
7. no insurance
6. no medical insurance
7. no language
8. no credit history (status)
9. no employment history (status)
10. no rental history (status)
11. no driver's license (and record)
12. NO EXPERIENCE of working-for-a-living in the new country (perhaps this should count as #1)

Everything of the above has to be BUILT one-day-one-step-$20-at-a-time.

They literally build their lives anew - only this time making choices by THEMSELVES.

And this 'I-Have-Nothing' CHALLENGE can be repeated by anyone....

BTW, the close mindset is observed among people that went through bankruptcy... and/or prison...

Simon
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Old June 16, 2003, 10:51 PM
Michael Ross (Aust, Qld)
 
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Default All true. But there is one other thing...

Simon:

Everything you say is true. There is no denying that.

However, there is one other thing you did not mention. It is that one other thing I am looking for.

Yes. It is frustrating. I am hinting at something. Hotter. Colder. Karol mentions it without realizing it.

Okay... here is another clue (of sorts)...

The advantage is not something they have per se, it is something they do not have. By not having this something, they have an advantage.

Just about every other person in the country has it, but migrants do not. The nature of being a migrant means they do not have it. And for many of the reasons you mentioned.

(By the time this is revealed everyone is going to go.... "gawd, is that it" and I'll say "yes" and then run away before you throw things at me.)

Michael Ross
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Old June 17, 2003, 12:18 AM
James Jones
 
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Default Re: All true. But there is one other thing...

Migrants don't have a family heritage/birthright to fall back on and help them succeed so they have to do everything themselves if they are to succeed.




ClickSalez -- You don't have to be a Migrant to use it.
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Old June 17, 2003, 03:38 AM
Michael Ross (Aust, Qld)
 
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Default Another true point...

> Migrants don't have a family
> heritage/birthright to fall back on and help
> them succeed so they have to do everything
> themselves if they are to succeed.

This is like Philip's remark of burning the boats... without a means of escape they are forced to make a living.

With natural borns, they have a support system to help them succeed... and yet they do not most of the time. Some do, certainly, but most do not. They just scrape by their entire life.

Logic would suggest a support system should assist you. But for natural borns it doesn't seem to help.

Michael Ross
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Old June 17, 2003, 02:55 AM
Simon Latouche
 
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Default They NEVER worked in this country, they NEVER lived in this country.

They NEVER worked in this country, they NEVER lived in this country.
That's a fact, this is what you call 'inherent' in being an immigrant.

Now, summing up some 'no's (from my previous post):

7. no language
8. no credit history (status)
9. no employment history (status)
10. no rental history (status)
11. no driver's license (and record)
12. NO EXPERIENCE of working in a new country

we arrive at inevitable conclusion:
their EXPECTATIONS ('ambitions') are realistic and MINIMAL.

Minimum attention, minimum consideration, minimum wages...entry positions...

if I move from Chicago to New-York and rent an apartment I (realistically) expect MINIMUM attention from my new neighbors.

If I am new to this board I realistically expect MINIMUM number of readers (one!)...

Same thing...
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Your 'withholding' is not frustrating. It's only natural that you want YOUR answer.
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Old June 17, 2003, 03:55 AM
Michael Ross (Aust, Qld)
 
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Default Are we having fun yet?

> They NEVER worked in this country, they
> NEVER lived in this country.
> That's a fact, this is what you call
> 'inherent' in being an immigrant.

Yes. That is true. There is another something though.

The rich (migrant or not) know this and live by it. Most of the public don't know this... and if they do... don't live their life by it. In fact, they seem to do exactly the opposite. From early on in their life too. They do it because they can.

Migrants couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Not being able to do it, they are FORCED to go without. Being without gives them an advantage. Most people only get to the level migrants start at, very late in their life - if at all.

> Now, summing up some 'no's (from my previous
> post):

> 7. no language
> 8. no credit history (status)
> 9. no employment history (status)
> 10. no rental history (status)
> 11. no driver's license (and record)
> 12. NO EXPERIENCE of working in a new
> country

These conditions... these points... mean what?

They are forced to go for menial, minimum this and that.

What, besides higher paying jobs, can't they get? And why is that lack an advantage over everyone else?

Everyone wants to get ahead in life. But something keeps holding them back. That something is not present in a migrant's life.

This thread is good. A lot of good answers are being given. About the attributes a migrant has that most others do not.

There is someone who, I believe, would spot the missing element in a heart beat if he were reading. So he must be having a week off or be on the road. But that is neither here nor there.

To hint again... it was revealed in Karol's original post. It is in there, for those with eyes to see. He even mentions it outright - without realizing it, of course.

Michael Ross
 


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