Migrant Success Secrets

Steve,

I agree with you. Its like a child who believes in dreams and make believe. They believe without a doubt that dreams do come true because they have not had their minds closed by adult thinking.

Migrants give up everything they have: friends, relatives, familiar surroundings and knowledge of how their part of the world works.... for..

A better life. "The land of opportunity".

Why?

Because they don't know they can't.

Rick Hunter

> Expectations? They see nothing but
> opportunities to get ahead so they take
> action and do while others see nothing but
> obstacles. The law of attraction...what you
> focus on most is what you tend to get.

> Thanks for forcing me to think Michael.
> That's what I love about SOW!

> If you just came right out and told everyone
> it would go in one ear and out the other. By
> making us think, we will get more out of the
> thing you're looking for.

> Steve Ski




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Migrants don't have a family heritage/birthright to fall back on and help them succeed so they have to do everything themselves if they are to succeed.




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> To see it you have to put yourself in the
> shoes of a migrant. What do they have and
> what don't they have, compared to a natural
> born citizen?

Those shoes are already technically on my feet. :)

Each situation is different and there's no right or wrong answer. I know you're looking for a specific answer there just isn't one.

Maybe I'm just missing the whole point. That could very well be the case.

I'm interesting in hearing the "correct" answer none-the-less.

Don't keep us in suspense!

Karol

They NEVER worked in this country, they NEVER lived in this country.
That's a fact, this is what you call 'inherent' in being an immigrant.

Now, summing up some 'no's (from my previous post):

7. no language
8. no credit history (status)
9. no employment history (status)
10. no rental history (status)
11. no driver's license (and record)
12. NO EXPERIENCE of working in a new country

we arrive at inevitable conclusion:
their EXPECTATIONS ('ambitions') are realistic and MINIMAL.

Minimum attention, minimum consideration, minimum wages...entry positions...

if I move from Chicago to New-York and rent an apartment I (realistically) expect MINIMUM attention from my new neighbors.

If I am new to this board I realistically expect MINIMUM number of readers (one!)...

Same thing...
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Your 'withholding' is not frustrating. It's only natural that you want YOUR answer.

> Expectations? They see nothing but
> opportunities to get ahead so they take
> action and do while others see nothing but
> obstacles. The law of attraction...what you
> focus on most is what you tend to get.

By coming to a new country they do see all the opportunities that those living there do not see. This is true.

And while that is an advantage to some degree. These same opportunities are sometimes just reveal outright to natural borns.

> Thanks for forcing me to think Michael.
> That's what I love about SOW!

> If you just came right out and told everyone
> it would go in one ear and out the other. By
> making us think, we will get more out of the
> thing you're looking for.

You'll get it... or someone will. ;o)

Michael Ross

> Those shoes are already technically on my
> feet. :)

Technically, may be. However, being one year old isn't quite the same as an adult who makes the move.

So your parents really have those shoes on.

The thing is... you mentioned it on your post. It's there to be seen. It was implied and even stated outright. For those to see.

> Each situation is different and there's no
> right or wrong answer. I know you're looking
> for a specific answer there just isn't one.

I would not say there was one thing if it did not apply universally. It applies to ALL migrants. Just because you can't quite see it at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does. And whenthe answer is revealed you will see it clearly.

> Maybe I'm just missing the whole point. That
> could very well be the case.

Yep. That's it.

> I'm interesting in hearing the
> "correct" answer none-the-less.

> Don't keep us in suspense!

Sorry... we have gone this far I have to keep at it until someone "gets it."

Michael Ross

While physical survival is the number one human (and all animal for that matter) need... it is not an advantage. It - the need to survive - is had by all and not migrants only.

Michael Ross

> Migrants don't have a family
> heritage/birthright to fall back on and help
> them succeed so they have to do everything
> themselves if they are to succeed.

This is like Philip's remark of burning the boats... without a means of escape they are forced to make a living.

With natural borns, they have a support system to help them succeed... and yet they do not most of the time. Some do, certainly, but most do not. They just scrape by their entire life.

Logic would suggest a support system should assist you. But for natural borns it doesn't seem to help.

Michael Ross

> They NEVER worked in this country, they
> NEVER lived in this country.
> That's a fact, this is what you call
> 'inherent' in being an immigrant.

Yes. That is true. There is another something though.

The rich (migrant or not) know this and live by it. Most of the public don't know this... and if they do... don't live their life by it. In fact, they seem to do exactly the opposite. From early on in their life too. They do it because they can.

Migrants couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Not being able to do it, they are FORCED to go without. Being without gives them an advantage. Most people only get to the level migrants start at, very late in their life - if at all.

> Now, summing up some 'no's (from my previous
> post):

> 7. no language
> 8. no credit history (status)
> 9. no employment history (status)
> 10. no rental history (status)
> 11. no driver's license (and record)
> 12. NO EXPERIENCE of working in a new
> country

These conditions... these points... mean what?

They are forced to go for menial, minimum this and that.

What, besides higher paying jobs, can't they get? And why is that lack an advantage over everyone else?

Everyone wants to get ahead in life. But something keeps holding them back. That something is not present in a migrant's life.

This thread is good. A lot of good answers are being given. About the attributes a migrant has that most others do not.

There is someone who, I believe, would spot the missing element in a heart beat if he were reading. So he must be having a week off or be on the road. But that is neither here nor there.

To hint again... it was revealed in Karol's original post. It is in there, for those with eyes to see. He even mentions it outright - without realizing it, of course.

Michael Ross

Not sure if this is always true, but I would think that migrants have no expectation that someone would support them, would bale them out if things got tough. They have total self-reliance.

Someone said it on a tape I once heard called "Ten reasons why most people fail financially". One of them was

"a crippling sense of entitlement"

(or at least that's what I THINK it was - something like that anyway!)

Philip