Migrant Success Secrets

Michael,

"they knew what they wanted and did what they could to get there."

Pete Godfrey

> There seems to be an imbalance to success
> when migrants are added to the numbers.

> From the outside, migrants appear to have a
> higher proportion of successful people from
> their numbers than people born within the
> country.

> And this out-of-whack ratio applies to all
> western countries - migrants succeed in
> Australia more than Australians, migrants
> succeed in the US more than people born in
> the US, migrants succeed in the UK more than
> people born there.

> We can, in an initial and dismissive way,
> attribute this to some kind of work ethic -
> they work harder.

> And while that may be the case, that would
> be an observed result of something else.

> In other words... they tend to do jobs other
> people don't want to do. They tend to do
> menial tasks. "Idiot work." Often,
> it is thought, they do these jobs because
> they don't have the formal qualifications to
> do anything better (but what does
> "better" mean?).

> And while that may be true, there are many
> natural born citizens who also work those
> jobs and who do not succeed.

> Without formal qualifications many start
> their own little businesses. But again, if
> starting a business was all that mattered
> than plenty of natural born citizens would
> also go on to the success migrants do. But
> it doesn't happen.

> As a group, more successes come from
> migrants than from other groups.

> Why is it so?

> There is one thing all migrants have in
> common that gives them an advantage over
> natural born citizens. It is something all
> natural born citizens can also have, if they
> want to.

> Before I reveal it I want to hear what
> others think it is...

> So why do migrants tend to succeed more so
> than natural born citizens?

> Michael Ross

> "they knew what they wanted and did
> what they could to get there."

This is also true. How is that an advantage though?

It's an advantage they have the moment they arrive in the new country.

Michael Ross

The immigrant arrives in a country with boundless opportunities...He has no pre-conceived notion about what is "good" or "bad'...Since he has "nothing" he views "anything" as a step up...He has a "can do" attitude and "failure" is NOT an option!...He doesn't say, "I can't do that" or "That will not work" as many native born do...He is not thinking that if he does not succeed the "government" will "bail him out"...So I guess you could say that "attitude" is everything here...

Rooster
www.rockerwisdom.com

This is also true. How is that an advantage
> though?

> It's an advantage they have the moment they
> arrive in the new country.

> Michael Ross




"Don’t get ripped off!"...

This "attitude" is too Tony-Robbin-esk for my liking.

In a western country there is always a fall back safety net. It might not be the government. It might be a charity of some kind. Whatever it is, it is there.

Remember too... this "thing" is something most people do eventually get later in life but it is too late for them to do anything with - mostly.

I don't see this "attitude" in older people. In fact, if anything, they become more welfare focused cause they just gots to get their "pension."

Michael Ross

> This is also true. How is that an advantage
> though?

> It's an advantage they have the moment they
> arrive in the new country.

> Michael Ross

Michael,

It's an advantage because they don't have a choice. They know what they want, that is survive, and they do whatever it takes to get there.

We who have been born in a country have so many choices ... sometimes too many. We're constantly being bombarded with choices.

With migrants, it's cut and dry. Survive.

So I stand by my answer: "They knew what they wanted and did what they could to get there."

So what do you think Michael? Warm or cold?

Pete Godfrey

> It's an advantage because they don't have a
> choice. They know what they want, that is
> survive, and they do whatever it takes to
> get there.

They do have a choice about whether they do whatever it takes. They don't have to do whatever it takes because there is always welfare.

Granted, being forced to "survive" does give them a "skill" which they can then apply to other areas. The skill of ACTION.

But this "element" - which two people in this thread have gotten and which I have not told them they have gotten, yet (because I think it was a guess and not deduced so I want them to reason it out) - is not a skill or ability.

It is also something most people get later on in life. And "doing whatever it takes" is not something most people eventually get later in life.

> With migrants, it's cut and dry. Survive.

> So I stand by my answer: "They knew
> what they wanted and did what they could to
> get there."

> So what do you think Michael? Warm or cold?

Cold(er).

I'm glad you stood by your answer, though.

I asked about the advantage so you would reason it out. The reasons would make it clearer. And show why you chose your answer. Could help other people too. (Also shows you weren't just having a guess :o))

Michael Ross

Michael,

If I wasn't thinking before, I certainly am now. I'm going to sleep on this one.

Most people eventually get it later in life eh?

Now, what does that mean?

Thanks for the thread Michael.

Pete Godfrey

> They do have a choice about whether they do
> whatever it takes. They don't have to do
> whatever it takes because there is always
> welfare.

> Granted, being forced to "survive"
> does give them a "skill" which
> they can then apply to other areas. The
> skill of ACTION.

> But this "element" - which two
> people in this thread have gotten and which
> I have not told them they have gotten, yet
> (because I think it was a guess and not
> deduced so I want them to reason it out) -
> is not a skill or ability.

> It is also something most people get later
> on in life. And "doing whatever it
> takes" is not something most people
> eventually get later in life.

> Cold(er).

> I'm glad you stood by your answer, though.

> I asked about the advantage so you would
> reason it out. The reasons would make it
> clearer. And show why you chose your answer.
> Could help other people too. (Also shows you
> weren't just having a guess :o))

> Michael Ross