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Old May 25, 2008, 03:23 PM
MichaelRoss
 
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Default "Peak Oil" Is A Crock

Dien,

Thanks for mentioning the Peak Oil thing.

I'd like to Bust some Myths Held As Fact about oil.

Oil is NOT a Fossil Fuel. It was Not made from large amounts of forest and dinosaurs Melting and percolating to become flammable sludge. Just because some bits old prehistoric fauna and flora may have been found in the sludge doesn't mean they melted to become the sludge.

Coal is solidified oil. Oil comes out of the ground around 90°C. Over time in the cooler outside environment, it hardens first to a gel like substance and then to a harder rock like substance. This is why coal is Black and extremely light weight - oil is black and floats on water

Australia EXPORTS oil to 40+ countries. That being the case, why do Australians pay $1.40+ per liter (around $5.60 per gallon) for the stuff? Not only does Australia export to these places, there are VAST oil reserves and fields south of the Australian Bite and West of the coast of Western Australia. Found by a Mobile Floating Oil Rig whose Sole Job is to move to a location, anchor, drill for oil and then Cap the found oil reserves. (Thanks to my uncle in the oil industry for 20+ years for this info.)

We are told prices are due to Supply and Demand. This is Controlled by the Oil Suppliers in a few ways. By not putting oil rigs onto all the many capped reserves they have found - of which the public knows nothing. And by convincing the public of something called Peak Oil - a phrase coined and theory put forward by a guy who worked at Shell (conflict of interest, don't you think). Once convinced of peak oil, they can slow down production to suit themselves and call it Peak Oil or some such.

If an oil reserve legitimately runs low on oil (pressure) they know they can Rest the reserve for a period of time and it comes good again. Meaning, oil is flowing Into the well from somewhere (from deeper within the Earth).

Did you hear the latest BS from our leader... remove the Goods and Services Tax from our fuel at the pump... but... replace it with an Environment Tax. (How does Tax help the environment?) Reminds me when former leader Fraser put prices up and said it was to Discourage use as we were using too much.

BTW, if the public knew that coal and oil were not fossil fuels, they wouldn't be so easily convinced of the limit of supply and following justification of high prices. There are tens of thousands of people around the planet who work in the industry and know this. Why doesn't the media report on this?

Michael Ross
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Old May 25, 2008, 03:48 PM
Sandi Bowman
 
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Default Re: Will it be a LONG hot summer with power outages?

Michael, some questions for you, please.

There is a saying that a diamond is simply a lump of coal that stuck to it's business (ie: by being under pressure and not yielding). True or not? If true, wouldn't diamonds be black instead of clear?

When we had coal delivered to our home, there were two types of coal: bituminus and a softer coal (can't recall the name) and it made a BIG difference in heat production as to which one was burned (and the resulting soot). Whenever they brought the wrong type, Dad made them take it back. Now, if oil is the source of both, and decaying vegetable matter is the source of both, why the differences?

Is there any reason why oil could not be artificially produced by speeding up the decaying vegetation process and, in the process, use some of the world's garbage for more productive uses? Seems to me with the technology we have, destroying our earth to bury garbage and dig out oil would be pointless endeavours if we applied some common sense to some processes and developed the potential here.

I'm no techie and am probably waay off base here but it just might spawn some good, practical, ideas to overcome a lot of problems (that's the hope anyway).

Sandi Bowman

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Old May 25, 2008, 05:58 PM
Andy
 
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Default Plenty and a I mean plenty of oil...

That's not the problem. Now I admit I don't know much about Lindsey Williams and I don't care much for conspiracy theories but this video answers so many questions. If you have some time, watch this. Its about an hour or so but well worth the time. It appears to have been made 2 or 3 months ago. I watched it last Monday. On Wednesday Fox News reported Iran is hoarding oil in tankers and nobody knows why. If you watch this video, you will know why.

Michael, Phil & others, I would love to hear your take on this. Its got me a bit nervous and I need a shot of reality. Here's the link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74697167011147
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Old May 25, 2008, 08:43 PM
Phil
 
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Default Re: Plenty and a I mean plenty of oil...

Talking about opinions...

More interesting reading...

Read the 20 chapters/articles, although a little old...
http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

Phil

Last edited by Phil : May 25, 2008 at 08:51 PM. Reason: additional info
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Old May 25, 2008, 11:12 PM
Phil
 
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Default Turning lemons into Lemonade...

Well maybe...

If you can't Beat the system or figure things out...

Look for other ways to Cash in on things and recover...

Keep an Eye on the following and make sure your Money Making brainstormer is Always running...

It's just a matter of Turning lemons into Lemonade...

How to make money from $4 gas
http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/21/mark...ion=2008052115
http://money.cnn.com/video/#/video/n...52108.cnnmoney

Gas May Top $7 A Gallon
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...G=Search&meta=

Phil

Last edited by Phil : May 25, 2008 at 11:16 PM. Reason: additional info
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Old May 26, 2008, 04:45 AM
MichaelRoss
 
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Default Re: Plenty and a I mean plenty of oil...

Andy,

Thanks for asking for our take on the video.

Having recently moved I am STILL awaiting for my broadband to be reconnected. It's supposed to happen tomorrow, or maybe Thursday, or as confirmed by my provider when I said, "You don't really know, do you?"... "No."

Once I am off the dial-up dinosaur I'll watch the vid and let you know.

I will say this though... ALL governments hoard oil. And they are Always buying more and adding to their Stash.

Michael Ross
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Old May 26, 2008, 04:38 AM
MichaelRoss
 
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Default Coal and Diamonds are not synonymous...

Sandi,

Thanks for asking.

Let me repeat myself...

"Oil is NOT a Fossil Fuel. It was Not made from large amounts of forest and dinosaurs Melting and percolating to become flammable sludge. Just because some bits old prehistoric fauna and flora may have been found in the sludge doesn't mean they melted to become the sludge."

You can take all your compost material and put it into an industrial crock pot for a thousand years. It will NOT miraculously turn to oil. That's because oil does NOT come from decaying plant matter.

Here's the false logic...

That bit of coal has some leaves and stuff in it. Therefore, it must have come from a lot of decaying plants and trees under heat and pressure.

Let me show you how this is wrong thinking with a slightly different example...

That small pool of water has some dead animal bones in the bottom of it. Therefore, the liquid which makes up that pool of water must have come from the dead animals as their cell walls collapsed.

Or...

The water came from all the dead plants. As they decayed they released the water from their cells and it became a pool of water.

We don't think water comes from dead plants. Yet will quite readily accept the same reasoning for coal and oil. If we find plants in a heap of mud we don't think the mud came from plants, but accept that reasoning for coal and oil.

As for a diamond being a lump of coal that stuck to its business...

They are not the same thing. Coal does not Turn into diamond. That's because coal is oil which has cooled down and solidified. Whereas a diamond is actually a Crystal.

And while I would like to think common sense could be applied to whatever energy needs we have, I won't hold my breath.

As long as we have politicians who think they can Tax their way to a better environment and Greenies and the like who think Humans and the carbon dioxide they put out (CO2 which amounts to like 0.06% of the atmosphere) are changing the climate on the entire plant, while ignoring the biggest temperature regulators we have (the ocean and the sun) and ignoring all past temperature fluctuation when humans were not present on this ball of mud, then we are a Lo-o-o-o-ong long way off from anything of use.

Here's what I'd like to see developed fully...

The Water Engine. It runs on water - one gallon of sea water has the same energy as a few of those Large oil tanks. Fill up your car would take a cup of water and do you for years. You could thus run your home on a small generator powered by a cup of sea water. Pollution... water.

Even if the Reaction can be controlled to give us small enough engines and the like, it is not in the interest of the politicians to have us not connected to a power grid they control and not in vehicles they don't have a say in via their gas-tax windfall. Because that would make use more economically successful. And financially free person is very hard to control.

Michael Ross
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Old May 26, 2008, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: Coal and Diamonds are not synonymous...

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Humans and the carbon dioxide they put out (CO2 which amounts to like 0.06% of the atmosphere) are changing the climate on the entire plant, while ignoring the biggest temperature regulators we have (the ocean and the sun) and ignoring all past temperature fluctuation when humans were not present on this ball of mud, then we are a Lo-o-o-o-ong long way off from anything of use.

Michael - have you watched Al Gore's movie - An Inconvenient Truth?

If you've seen it - what did you think of it?

I think he showed a slide that showed the rise in CO2 - without ignoring the historical fluctuations - but I'm not sure on my memory as I had seen the movie quite some time back...

I think they measured historical CO2 values by digging into the snow that was created thousands of years ago in Antarctica and evaluating the CO2 content in each layer of snow.

Each layer of snow gave the age of the snow and the CO2 content during that era.

And compared to past few thousand years, the CO2 today is at an all time high.

I'm not too sure how biased / unbiased that research was though. Haven't dug in deep in this topic at all.
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I kind of have faith in Scott Adam's insight:

"Any doom that can be predicted won't happen." - Scott Adams

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Old May 26, 2008, 08:52 AM
Andy
 
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Default Michael, yor right and your wrong

"...it is not in the interest of the politicians to have us not connected to a power grid they control and not in vehicles they don't have a say in via their gas-tax windfall. Because that would make use more economically successful...."

If you watch the above mentioned video, you will see why we would not be more economically successful with other sources of fuel. You see, our gas prices are DIRECTLY connected to the national debt. The video explains this much better than I ever could. It shows why the prices are going up and probably will stay up and we have little hope of ever tapping into the oil reserves we have here in the US as well. Its not the greenies as everyone would have you believe.

I really hope this guy is a quack because if he's not and he is factual about what he talks about, we will soon have lots of lemons to squeeze.
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Old May 26, 2008, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: Michael, yor right and your wrong

Andy,

Thanks for adding.

The Key Words in what I wrote was... they control.

The more financially successful you are the less dependent you are on the Govt. The less dependent you are the harder it is to Control you.

Govts preach about freedom but then put in ever more restrictive rules. Thus, you are free to do whatever you want - as long as - it's within their rules.

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