How To Kill a Starfish?

[Ankesh]

Phil and all - thanks for asking about me. I'm doing fine. Just went and lighted candles today outside a few of the places that were affected.

Michael and all - thanks for giving words to my feelings. "Soak ALL bullets in pig fat. Then go Terrorist Hunting." That was exactly my thought when the bastards started shooting in Mumbai.

But unfortunately I dont think thats a realistic or even an ideal solution. Here is why... (paraphrasing from Ori Brafman and Rod Beckstrom)

A usual organization has a hierarchy. They are like a spider. Cut off a leg of the spider and you end up with a 7 legged spider. Cut of its head and the spider dies.

But terrorists organizations don't have such hierarchies. They are not set up as spiders. But rather star fishes. Cut off an arm of a star fish and it'll grow a new arm. And the arm will grow a whole new body too.

Just like star fishes, terrorist organizations have no single brain - no central command. But they have various cells of various sizes.

If you go and hunt them down, they'll just re-grow back.

So how do you kill a starfish?

Only 2 ways:

1. You burn the entire starfish together. Unfortunately its not possible to kill all the terrorists together.

2. You suffocate them. Cut their oxygen.

Whats oxygen for terrorists?

i. Their belief that what they are doing is good for Islam. And that they will go to heaven if they die.

ii. Their source of revenue. With which they buy arms.

So how can we replace their faulty beliefs and ideologies? And how can we dry their revenue sources? If you have any smart ideas, I would love to hear them.

Ankkesh:

In my opinion there are only 3 ways...and none will ever happen

1. Western civilization doesn't hold to killing women and children, but to annihilate this mentality that is something that would have to be done....husband martyrs himself and the wife praises him, wife martyrs herself and husband praises her...children indoctrinated from infanthood sing their praises and look forward to the time they can follow in the mothers or fathers footsteps...hence the whole family is going to have to be removed to put an end to the lineage....and westerners just aren't going to do that.

2. Remove the finacial support...that would mean regime change in most Mid-Eastern countries as well as removal of most Islamic charities in the Western world...and that isn't going to happen.

3. an occurence to horendous to even contemplate, and would involve the killing of millions and millions of innocents....but with India and Pakistan getting ready to possibly face off again there is a miniscule remote possibiliy of it growing to this.

Ankesh,

Thanks for adding.

Ages ago I wrote that terrorists were like the Hydra Monster. Cut of a head and others grow back to replace it. The only way to kill it is physically kill the whole. To do that militarily is difficult (impossible). Which leaves Financial as the way.

how can we replace their faulty beliefs and ideologies?

We cannot. They have been brainwashed. ALL organized religions use brainwashing techniques. Islam - as practiced over there - users more of them and with more potency.

The only way to unbrainwash someone is to remove them from the brainwashing and not allow re-exposure. But good luck on that one.

how can we dry their revenue sources?

We cannot. There is always a vested interest in having useful idiots to do your work. There is always someone sympathetic to the cause. And, when you have the United Nincompoops (U.N.) giving Millions of dollars a month to Palestine (much of it coming from America's Purse), then you're in a situation where you're funding them and fighting them.

Also, as has proven time and time and time again, the idea/notion of a Sanction to Coerce someone into your way, Never works. Those you want to coerce are uneffected while the ordinary people suffer. - Iraq, Zimbabwe, North Korea.

You need to understand their Value System to understand what you're really up against...

You're fighting someone who has no sense of Future Value, who thinks it glorious to die fighting infidels, who has scant value for life and who thinks the Attrition Method always wins in the end - and - who Twists a clobbering military slaughter followed by a troop withdrawal as their attrition system winning in the end and causing the withdrawal.

I'll be back later with some more...

Michael Ross

WE (Americans) are the idiots since we're in the process of supplying Pakistan with nuclear weapons capability. Why, when we KNOW that Pakistan is a hot bed of the worst of the human species (not all Pakistanis, of course) and all this is doing is handing a loaded gun to a child.

Americans are the real idiots of the world for thinking that we can change the course of history instead of learning from history. Americans are not the only idiots, by far, but let the chips fall where they may, folks.

This is just history repeating itself with a twist. Those who do not study their world history are doomed to repeat it is oft said...and sooo true. Sad.

Ankesh, I'm delighted to see you posting. The starfish theory is good but they're not the only 'fish' in the sea (just the most gullible), as they say. Let's go fishing!

Would someone please explain the pig fat theory with the bullets? Thanks.

Sandi Bowman

Sandi,

Thanks for adding.

Would someone please explain the pig fat theory with the bullets?

The Muslims in question do Not eat pig products. They consider it to be a dirty vile creature (unclean). The eating of such an animal will contaminate their body not allowing them entry into Allah's abode.

"Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked"

"I do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- for that surely is unclean-- or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) Allah having been invoked on it"

Some even will not Touch a pig. And in the UK, the Muslim distate for Pig has resulted in toy bans, piggy bank bans, school stories with pigs in them - http://porkshot.com/uk_bans_piggys.htm

So, as they consider this animal unclean and do not wish to contaminate themselves, shooting them with bullets coated in pig fat will contaminate their body. Let them know that all terrorists will be shot with pig fat coated bullets and you have a pretty good deterent. Something to make them think twice at least.

Michael Ross

[Dien Rice]

Originally Posted by MichaelRoss

So, as they consider this animal unclean and do not wish to contaminate themselves, shooting them with bullets coated in pig fat will contaminate their body. Let them know that all terrorists will be shot with pig fat coated bullets and you have a pretty good deterent. Something to make them think twice at least.

Hi Michael,

I think if it was so simple, people would have done it.

Here is a relevant web page about this...

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...k_pershing.htm

Unfortunately, I don't know the answers... I think Gen. Petraeus in Iraq seems to be having the best success so far...

Thanks for the replies and info. I already knew, from my comparative religions studies almost 50 years ago, about the pig (and other) thing as far as many religions are concerned.

The religious ban was one means to prevent food poisoning in ancient times because water was scarce on the desert and sanitation minimal. They actually 'washed' their dishes and utensils (such as they were) with sand. I just never connected the ancient practices with military uses today. Interesting, to say the least.

Hey, if it'd work, I'm all for it. Stupid sounding but when you're dealing with unthinking, programmed to die, people well...whatever works is what we should be doing. What's a little fat among folks, eh? Might even work to just dump buckets of pig guts, blood, etc. on them instead of bullets. Might even be a marketing idea for terrorist repellants, eh?

Perfect example of cannon fodder...beats the 'glory of Rome' all to 'ell, yes? You don't see the instigators of these idiot-ologies volunteering to die, do you? Nope...then there'd be no advantage to them in getting others to do their dirty work on any pretext.

Sandi Bowman

Dien,

Thanks for the Black Jack Pershing link.

I already Knew this story - and it's fakeness. But this comment...

"But according to Raeed Tayeh of the American Muslim Association in North America, the notion that a Muslim would be denied entrance to heaven for touching a pig is "ridiculous."

And this..."A statement from the Anti-Defamation League characterizes the claim as an "offensive caricature of Muslim beliefs."

Right. And Here is the problem. The statement, like a cartoon, is offensive. But blowing people up in a cafe, chopping off heads of living people, crashing planes into buildings... that's Not offensive?

Point is, we are not talking about any old Muslim who goes about their life peaceably. We're talking about the nut jobs created from the brainwashing of the Wahhabi or Shia or Taliban style Islam. So a comment from, say, a Sunni Muslim as the quote may have come from (Raeed Tayeh of the American Muslim Association), doesn't apply to an extremest Wahhabi Muslim. And then the Islam practiced in Indonesia is different again.

Simple is never done if some do gooder can be offended by it.

Just like the Aussie soldiers not being allowed to shoot unless fired upon first. The obvious answer isn't always the one followed. We can't go hurting someone's feelings now.

Michael Ross

Also,

Going back to Ideology...

When you have stuff like this as part of the religion's teaching

"[22.19] These are two adversaries who dispute about their Lord; then (as to) those who disbelieve, for them are cut out garments of fire, boiling water shall be poured over their heads."

"[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

When you have beheadings being advocated by the religion itself, you have a real problem.

I've never heard of Anyone killed in the name of Buddha. Heck, there are Buddhists who sweep the path in front of them in case they accidentally step on and kill an ant or other insect.

Granted, not all Muslims are terrorists. But, all terrorists are Muslim.

I don't see Christians rioting in the streets over Offensive cartoons. Geeze, Dave Allen would have been massacred long ago for his offensive Catholic jokes.

It seems to me, with all this Muslims Offended stuff, they act like spoiled children. They need to be told off, not molly coddled.

Oh, and next time you see them holding signs in media stuff, have a Close look at the Penmenship. Looks like the signs are written by one person - odd. And this is the problem...



All the "S"s are by the same hand. A bunch of useful idiots.

Look at the F'Wit in Aust saying women who are raped bring it on themselves and they are like pieces of meat left for the cat to eat and blah blah blah. THIS is the kind of Crap that the non assimilating Muslims listen to. It's self inflicted brainwashing.

Ankesh, you want to change the ideology? This is what you're up against. Their Source Material and their Religious Leaders.

I've visited my local Mosque and spoken in depth with the Imam there - about all kinds of things, on several occasions. Also chatted with other Muslims visiting the Mosque for Services. All quite friendly, rational (as rational as a person can be believing in ...) people.

Now I don't know if it's a media conspiracy or not. But they (the ones at the Mosque) claim to be appalled by the actions of the terrorists but the media never prints their renouncing of those actions.

The opposite it seems...

=> Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

=> A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

=> Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.

=> Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage

=> Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.

=> Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

=> Man throws Quaran on the ground. Muslims are outraged and destroy property / factory.

Palestinians grow up brainwashed into Jew hatred from birth - it's all the Jew's fault. THIS is what you're up against.

But if you can convince people they have future value, you can leave them to themselves to become peaceable. But you have to Isolate them from the brainwashing first.

The biggest mistake is thinking they have the same value system and ethics system. They do not.

Michael Ross

[Ankesh]

Thanks Michael.

Heard today: The place in Mumbai where Muslim dead bodies are burried denied to take the terrorist dead bodies. "These terrorists are not true Muslims."

Is there anything in the Quran or the Sunnah that says killing innocent people is bad? Something that - if repeated enough times - will discourage people from becoming terrorists?

My thought is... have you seen the movie Armageddon? Ok movie. But one thing from that movie stuck with me.

When the asteroid is shooting towards Earth - the solution is not to blow it up by nuking it from outside. But it is to dig in and place a nuke in the center.

The solution to the Muslim terrorists can't come from you or me. It has to come from within Islam itself.

We need to use Islamic words from Islamic Holy texts to have any effect.