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Old May 1, 2012, 09:53 PM
Skip Rosell
 
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Hi my friends,

This just happen to me last week.

A friend of mine that works for a heating & cooling company in my area
called me and asked if I could help her boss out of a jam.

Lisa knew I worked at home on the computer and her boss had a real big problem.

Rich, (the boss) had a site built by a web designer in the area. But he could not contact him for the last 3 months. Since the seasons were changing and his prices had increased he needed some changes to the site right away.

The designer set up the web site with a user name and password and never gave that info to the owner. WOW! You own the site but do not have access! He had no idea how to get into the site to make the changes.

Think this does not happen often? Business owners get into this jam all the time because they want the designer to handle ALL OF the site and not have to learn ANOTHER new trade just to run their business.

Since I knew a way to get this info I told him I would get him a new user name and password for $100. It took me all of 5 minutes to do this for him.

Then while we were talking he told me his friend who owned a local oil company had the same designer and the same problem. You see it was the oil company owner that turned him on to this designer in the first place.

So I called the owner of the oil company and got him for $100. BUT it did not stop there.

Since I help them out of a jam they both signed up for a $125 a month contract for me to manage their sites. Just normal maintainence of their site and any major changes will be billed over and above.

Now I could have left it at that and would have been very happy with what I got BUT....

Since the old designer left his footprint on the sites I figured how many other sites did he do the same thing to? Now in respect to the old designer he may have had moved, had home problems, died, or a number of other reasons for not getting back to the owners of wesites that he produced.

But I did a quick search and low and behold I found 23 sites that were made up by this phamthom of a designer. All these sites were set up the same way and I figured that he kept some or all of these passwords to himself.

I contacted 10 of the 23 so far and got a contract with 6 of them. 2 of the other 4 had a new designer make up a new website with a new url for big bucks. One had the password and The last one I could not contact.

So how much fell into my lap from this chance meeting?

Eight at $100
Eight at $125 a month (I out source this for $50 per month)
Eight at $$$ for major changes. (which I will out source.
Eight that I can sell other services to like Emial marketing, Google places, SMS messaging, etc.

I could have charged more for the ID and password set up but since I charged the heating guy $100 and all the sites are from my local area I did not want to raise the prices on the others.

BUT...how many others are out there in just the US that have the same problem. They hooked up with a designer that has "flew the coop" so to speak? And kept the password!

Who would like to run this type of service?

Do you know ways of finding these web site owners?
Any ideas?

I have one way and will give up that secret if others want to start doing this service. Just comment on this thread that you would like more info

Best of success,

Skip Rosell


Doug Phil,Eve, Ken and all sowpubbers.

I only know one way to get the user ID and Password. It is the way I did it to get the info for my customers. When you have your back against the wall you have to find a work around to complete the order to get paid.

So the secret I reveal here is NO Secret it is just how I did it. No Black Hat needed.

Go to betterwhois.com ( there are a number of sites that have whois and if one does not give you the following info try another) and find the owner of the domain name. That is the owner of the URL.

If the owner is the name of the business owner and not the web designer your'e good to go. But if the name is anything other then the business/owner all is not lost. See below.

Now you have to find the Hosting company. Some times it is listed and other times it is not. If it is not listed then go down until you find the DNS information (Domain Name Servers) Copy the DNS into Google search box and it will tell you what hosting uses that server.

Here is what happens most of the time when the web designer sets up an account. He gives the business owner the user name and password for the Domain Name so the owner OWNS the URL. Most business owners know enough to ask for the log-in for their URL registeur. But then the web designer sets up hosting with a different user name and/or Password. So the business owner THINKS he owns the complete domain but can not get into the hosting account. That means he can not make changes or FTP any files.

There are some good reasons for this as far as the web designer goes. 1. He controls the site. 2. He keeps the owner and others from messing up his files.

But when it goes wrong with the web designer you need the user ID and password of the hosting to change files or ftp files.

Some times the most simple way will get you what you need. I found out (by calling) that most hosting companies have a way to transfer the Domain name to the owner of the business with PROOF of ownership. So like Godaddy ( which a lot of people use both for registering the URL AND use for the hosting) what the owner of the business has to do is fill out a form and submit proof of ID with a photo ID like a license. Then the hosting company will verify the info and will give the business owner the FTP infomation. Takes a day or two.

That is the only way I know and I'm sure there are other ways some more knowledgable people then me can give you. If any one here knows please share IF White Hat.

*****Now, how can we find the sites that have problems with their web designer?

I could check to see if there have been any changes in the last 3 months in sites but that takes time. If no changes in last 3 months then they could be a good prospect for our service. Things move fast on the web and no changes in 3 months is not a good sign for their website. Of course they could have a static page or pages and we would waste our time doing it this way.

We could also set up a website that targets the business owners with this problem. I think I will research some keywords to see if I can make money from the website with this program.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.


There are some other twists and turns I have learned over the last couple of weeks and when I have a better system I might write a report on this. Of course I won't forget my friends on SowPub.

Best of success,

Skip Rosell
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