Web 2.0 marketing. Some food for thought. And your OPINIONS are highly encouraged...

Thanks for the email and the explanation, Steve, but I still don't get it.

I looked at the person's article you directed me to and I also looked at his website and blog.

There was no mention of web 2.0 anywhere on his website and one blog post that talked a little bit about it but nothing that came anywhere close to what I would call "rebranding" himself.

I know you build websites, and from what I see and hear, you're really good. But from looking at your own website, I see that you build the sort of sites where web 2.0 doesn't really come into play. It has no real purpose there.

I'm guessing that when you are focused on that sort of thing every day, that web 2.0 talk is nothing more than a distraction because it doesn't fit in with what you are doing.

Also, we very likely have totally different opinions on what web 2.0 really is because I thought your example of USNET groups was way off - not even close to what I see web 2.0 as.

Back then, before Al Gore created the internet, we didn't have anywhere near the technology to pull off some of the stuff we are seeing today and while most all of it was probably thought of, as Pete put it, "natural progression", it was also impossible with the technology at that time and cost prohibitive.

Today, the technology is cheap and available to most anyone to pull it off.

There's no question in my mind that web 2.0 is for real for those of us using it but I can see where it can be meaningless to those who don't.

Jim

Thanks for the email and the explanation, Steve, but I still don't get it.

LOL, I guess you don't get it then.

This conversation has moved into the working week, and I've got work to do...

Best Regards,
Steve MacLellan

Originally Posted by Steve MacLellan

LOL, I guess you don't get it then.

Actually, Steve, I do get it, bit I'm not sure you do.

What I didn’t get was your claim of marketers “rebranding” themselves to web 2.0 - It's just not happening as far as I can see.

I haven’t been able to find an example of this and the one you emailed me with certainly didn’t fit.

What I do get is that I’m having a “Rich Internet Application” built at the moment that is all about web 2.0.

The big difference between this and the type of stuff you build is that this one is all about the user experience.

Users will be uploading audio and video and images as well as having the ability to record by phone and record by webcam and have their media instantly available to share on the site and do a lot of other things with.

This is where the web 2.0 concepts and technologies play a big part.

The example you gave me about this marketer having no knowledge of some simple concepts back in 2003 made no sense to me. That was 4 years ago!

I didn’t even hear the term “web 2.0” until a couple of months ago but that has been enough time to study and totally understand it.

I can’t understand where you think it’s not for real.

It has nothing to do with the way people market things which seems to be what you are focused on here.

It’s about building webapps that work and that users are wanting.

Jim

[Ankesh]

Actually - there are quite a few people who are "rebranding" themselves with the web 2.0 tag.

For eg: many people are trying to raise money by claiming that they have a web 2.0 website... and many internet marketers too have come out with ebooks that show how to use linking strategies on social networking and other such sites. If you visit some hard core internet marketing forums - you'll see what Steve and Pete are talking about.

Most of these people over-do it a bit. They act like web 2.0 is the next big short cut make-a-million-bucks-in-half-a-day thing.

But that doesn't mean web 2.0 is a fad. It's an idea that has some real value. As Gordon also stated in the beginning post - Inter-Connectivity is great for selling more.

Jim, et al..

Here is why I feel the way I do about Web 2.0.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Web 2.0, a phrase coined by O'Reilly Media in 2004,[1] refers to a
perceived or proposed second generation of Web-based services..

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Russell Shaw (On the ZDNet Blog)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=805

"Well, Web 2.0 is bunk. Not that the elements of this rebirth aren’t
there. I write about some of them, and Richard has them nailed. It’s
just that they cannot be classified under a common umbrella. They are
forward lurches of various standards and technologies, some compatible,
some not. Some revolutionary, some evolutionary, some impractical.
Some are collaborative, others are highly competitive with each other."

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Tim Berners-Lee on Web 2.0: "nobody even knows what it means"

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Then, on the lighter side...

Web 2.0

No Thanks, I'm Holding Out for Web 3.0

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/web-20.php

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I'm done now.

Pete

hi pete...

your link to chia is not working..or at least on this thing it isnt

I "think" I've got if fixed now.

I appreciate you letting me know about the glitch.

Pete