YOUR OPINION - Which Book Will U Pay Cold Cash For?

[GordonJ]

Well, I'm going to keep giving my opinions then...

I just quoted YOU Skip, I don't care one way or the other, but when
someone says they were concerned about their IMAGE in the community and that whatever you do at the gas station may have some people think of you a certain way...

Yet, less than a day goes by and I get your affiliate offer.
So, it seems, you won't do this honest albeit "shameful" work, yet you can't wait to send this to your list solely because you think it will make you a ton of money.
That's about as far from HONEST as it gets. Skip, tell you what, send me another email which clearly states you tried it, made money but were concerned about your image OR tell the potential buyer there is an element of the BUM technique which could make you look, in the eyes of your friends, family, customers (your community) like a real BUM, whatever and however you describe them.

In the first post, you say it's a business, and that carries with it certain inferrances, like TAXES and such, then it is a job.

In the last year of getting your newsletters I've not read of too many things that gives you this return on your time, so, it just begs the question in my mind, Why won't Skip do this simple easy 80 and hour money maker as opposed to one of his 30 dollar an hour money maker he writes about.

Do whaever job or business you Skip, no concern of mine, but if there is something shameful or shady or truly BUMmy about this, then that's a different story.

I'm just disappointed in you Skip, selliing something you are too embarassed to do yourself even though it could put a lot of buxs in your pocket.

Just an opinion, no need to respond, I get it, we have different takes on what is shady and what isn't.

Gordon Alexander

Originally Posted by Skip Rosell

What happened to making a living the old fashioned way, with honest work, and when did selling stuff that you wouldn't do yourself,

Gordon, Thank you for your opinion.

This IS honest work.

I choose other work over this work as a full time job.

Another person might choose this work.

Are they right or am I. Both are right.

Opinions come in all sizes.

The image of a Bum come in all sizes.

You have yours and I have mine.

Best of success,

Skip Rosell

Originally Posted by GordonJ

Well, I'm going to keep giving my opinions then...

I just quoted YOU Skip, I don't care one way or the other, but when
someone says they were concerned about their IMAGE in the community and that whatever you do at the gas station may have some people think of you a certain way...

Yet, less than a day goes by and I get your affiliate offer.
So, it seems, you won't do this honest albeit "shameful" work, yet you can't wait to send this to your list solely because you think it will make you a ton of money.
That's about as far from HONEST as it gets. Skip, tell you what, send me another email which clearly states you tried it, made money but were concerned about your image OR tell the potential buyer there is an element of the BUM technique which could make you look, in the eyes of your friends, family, customers (your community) like a real BUM, whatever and however you describe them.

In the first post, you say it's a business, and that carries with it certain inferrances, like TAXES and such, then it is a job.

In the last year of getting your newsletters I've not read of too many things that gives you this return on your time, so, it just begs the question in my mind, Why won't Skip do this simple easy 80 and hour money maker as opposed to one of his 30 dollar an hour money maker he writes about.

Do whaever job or business you Skip, no concern of mine, but if there is something shameful or shady or truly BUMmy about this, then that's a different story.

I'm just disappointed in you Skip, selliing something you are too embarassed to do yourself even though it could put a lot of buxs in your pocket.

Just an opinion, no need to respond, I get it, we have different takes on what is shady and what isn't.

Gordon Alexander

Originally Posted by Skip Rosell

I did change some of the method to suit my image in my community. I did not want my friends and customers to think I turned into a BUM.

This has nothing to do with the Bum's job but his appearence. I would not go in looking like I wore the same clothes for a year and havent bathed in the same amount of time.

Nothing shameful or embarassing about the work. You read into my statement something I never thought about when I wrote it. I was talking about appearence not the work.

If you read the book it talks about how easy it is for the Bum to get this "work" because of his "Reason" for doing it. That is where I changed the method. I came up with reasons that you could use even if you were dressed in a suit and tie.

Originally Posted by Skip Rosell

And Glenn and I have made a nice daily profit for our tests. Disclaimer! I will not be working this method as a business like the Bum, but if I run across the right person in my area I will show him or her how and where I did the tests so he or she can earn some extra income.

I never said this is a business but the BUM does this as a business. Which I think for some people even an extra $50 or $100 a day would consider this a business.

I also will try this from time to time because it worked but I have other offline businesses that I will focus on more then this. And it is fun to get suprizes in the process of the "Work"

As far as me making a killing on this as an affiliate I will not make more then one or two sales, if that, to my list because of the price. Most of my list expect reports $5-$10 range from me.

And last but not least. I Do NOT like being called Dishonest!

I test all the reports that I write and give 100% refund at any time not just 30 or 60 days. I do not test all of the affiliate products and I do not believe anyone else does that either. If I said it once I said it one hundred times in my emails that this may not be your "cup of Tea" I do not expect everything is right for everyone. And if it is not for them they can get a refund at any time.

I tested this affiliate product because I did not believe it when I read it and wanted to disprove it. That back-fired when I did the test. It Worked to my amazement.

I had to respond to this post because of the dishonest remark. I take that very personally. I always respected your opinion and thought highly of you. I thought you thought the same of me since we have know each other for years on the forum and through working together on projects.

I hope the misreading by you or more likely the miswriting by me for this product did not change your mind.


Best of success,

Skip Rosell

[Glenn]

Thank You Skip,

As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "Do the thing and you have the Power."

Thanks.

Glenn

Skip tried The BUM Book Idea twice - so far. Here's part of an email
he sent me.

P.S. - By the way - I can't answer any of your tech questions. I don't DO
that stuff. I hire others. PHP stands for Please Hip Hop - right?

==================

Dear Glenn,

...Results:

First day I made $67 for one hour.

Second day at a differnt location by my home I made $156.00
for about 90 minutes.

THAT'S $89 an hour.

Both places were within bike riding distance from home.

Skip

Hi Skip,

Hope all is well and you're keeping cool during this hot summer.

I know you try a lot of methods that you endorse. Are you currently, or have in the past, used any of these methods?

Take care,



Reply:

Good to hear from you. Hope all is well with you.

I don't endorse reports any more because there is
always some one out there that thinks the report is
lame. You can't make everyone happy.

Skip

Response to this thread:

Getting an email offer on something he doesn't endorse?????

I don't normally respond to threads that can cause controversy. The top part is my asking a question about an email I got about a warrior forum offer. I asked this question because I thought the methods sounded good and fine, but just needed to get clarification. Quite frankly, at this stage in my life, I know crap from gold. I had been on Skip's list for a good six years or so. His reply to my question, which is the second paragraph, made me unsubscribe. Perhaps that isn't quite fair, but, in the past Skip always tested methods before endorsing. This last email basically told me that he was now throwing crap against a wall and seeing what sticks.

I'm done with offers on email. Done with it all. Not saying that Skip is a bad guy or anything. I still believe his heart is in a good place, but is now throwing STUFF out there and just letting it fly.

Everything being said...thanks to this forum and other marketers, I have now stopped chasing the GOLD. I have concentrated on ONE method to get an income from local businesses that HELPS THEM make more income through multiple marketing channels

Again, I don't mean to post a response to a thread that is somewhat negative, and I still think Skip is a fine person, but sometimes we lose our perspective. I unsubscribed to a list I thought highly of until I got that response. Then again, I'm not a newbie anymore. I know filet from bacon. Gordon's reply to this thread made a lot sense.

Don't care about Bum marketing or anything else you want to call it. Marketing is just helping business or yourself make more money in a cost effective way, with the bottom line being more attentive to your customers.

[Dien Rice]

Originally Posted by RickC

Response to this thread:

Getting an email offer on something he doesn't endorse?????

I can't read Skip's mind, but I'm going to guess that he probably meant more something like, he doesn't make public endorsements of products...

If that's what he means, it wouldn't mean he doesn't (personally) endorse them...

From what I know of Skip, I don't think he would promote a product he didn't believe in, and in this case, he personally tested it to check for himself.

Best wishes,

Dien

Originally Posted by RickC

Response to this thread:

Getting an email offer on something he doesn't endorse?????

I don't normally respond to threads that can cause controversy. The top part is my asking a question about an email I got about a warrior forum offer. I asked this question because I thought the methods sounded good and fine, but just needed to get clarification. Quite frankly, at this stage in my life, I know crap from gold. I had been on Skip's list for a good six years or so. His reply to my question, which is the second paragraph, made me unsubscribe. Perhaps that isn't quite fair, but, in the past Skip always tested methods before endorsing. This last email basically told me that he was now throwing crap against a wall and seeing what sticks.

I'm done with offers on email. Done with it all. Not saying that Skip is a bad guy or anything. I still believe his heart is in a good place, but is now throwing STUFF out there and just letting it fly.

Everything being said...thanks to this forum and other marketers, I have now stopped chasing the GOLD. I have concentrated on ONE method to get an income from local businesses that HELPS THEM make more income through multiple marketing channels

Again, I don't mean to post a response to a thread that is somewhat negative, and I still think Skip is a fine person, but sometimes we lose our perspective. I unsubscribed to a list I thought highly of until I got that response. Then again, I'm not a newbie anymore. I know filet from bacon. Gordon's reply to this thread made a lot sense.

Don't care about Bum marketing or anything else you want to call it. Marketing is just helping business or yourself make more money in a cost effective way, with the bottom line being more attentive to your customers.

Hi Rick,

Thank you for showing me something that I am doing wrong lately.

I have had some health problems lately (not an excuse) and have doctors appointments most days. Just getting older and heart and blood pressure issues that they are trying to control.

But that has limited my time and I have not been taking the time to convey the whole story in every email.

The part about not endorsing products in the email to you and others is in reference to just one website that I put up and the products on that website.

I will not give the link to that site here because I do not want to add to the confusion I have already caused. The site is a free blog that I set up for my own use with WSO (warrior special offers). The warrior forum lately have hundreds of WSO's each month now on all type of subjects like SEO, Backlinking, Article writing, etc. I wanted to list on this free blog just the WSO's that interested me and on fast cash or easy systems to make some extra cash. Then as I got time I would buy these products to test out and then write a report or case study on my results. This was at the beginning just for my own use.

Then I got a bright idea. (bad, bad, idea now I see)

My bright idea was if I was interested in these WSO's then my list would be interested in these and I would save them time looking through all the hundred of WSO's to find them. Then I got another bright idea.

Why not put the link to each of these products as my affiliate link and make a buck or two off of any that were sold.

But I wanted to be honest with my list and I told them in the first post that I have not bought some of these products and therefore I could not endorse them. Then I made another mistake. I got so many emails with questions on some of these listings that I started to "short" answer these emails to keep up with them.

Instead of taken each question from my list and answer fully I just got it in my mind that the list member KNEW I didn't buy some of these products and gave short answers without explaining to each one.

I lost track of my core reason for writing to my list. To help them make some quick cash with a good product. As you said I have always in the past tested all the reports myself before I sent any thing out.

I put in disclaimers because I wanted to be honest. I said I don't endorse products that I have not tested because I wanted to be honest. But by not explaining this in full in each email I did all of the people that are my customers and friends an injustice. Sorry.

From now on I will not send an offer out UNLESS I have tested it whether it is my own report idea or a case study on an affiliate product.

I also started to "Short" answer in my posts here on sowpub.

When I said I would not be doing the Bum method myself I just thought everyone one knew I was talking about the bums’ appearance and not the actual work of doing the program. But I quickly put that disclaimer in because I wanted to be honest. I did not put an affiliate link in my signature or in the post for the book because I just knew the people here on SowPub were NOT the target market.

I am sorry that I hurt my friends just to save some time and not do them the justice they deserve from me. Enough excuses!

Time to get back to treating my friends like I have for the last 8 years and give them only the knowledge I have acquire by TESTing each and every product.

Let me start and apologize to Rick, Gordon, Dien, Tom, Glenn, and all the others that have posted or read these posts. I promise to do better.

Best of success,

Skip Rosell

[GordonJ]

First, I GET the health things. Health issues eat away at your time, and, in my case, certainly, my judgment as I too have made mistakes.

I regard you as a friend, and a friend of SowPub.

I too, didn't get the WSO blog thing, and wrongly wrote it off as Skip being desperate for some fast bux...now that I see what you INTENDED to do, it makes more sense and is, in my opinion, a good idea.

The way the WSO is being done these days, it is hard to separate the wheat (2%) from the BS chaff 98% so your idea has merit because you are taking time to pull out what you consider to be an idea worthy of follow up.

I also regard Glenn as a friend and a great contributor to the SOW pub forum, and I regard him as a master manipulator (nothing negative there) whom I for one, can certainly learn from.

My issue is with blind ads and I guess, I misread and/or MISinterpreted your reasons for not doing the Bum thing, so, my apologies for that.

Still, I think dragging your 12 year old daughter to a late night gas station to scrounge around for a few bux seems to be, and I may be totally wrong on this, and need to pull my head out of my ****...

seems to be "beneath" the members of SowPub, whom, over the years have shown a higher understanding of making money, that is, are NOT the vast majority like you find at other forums, desperate people looking how to make an easy buck...

We've presented hundreds of workable, doable and realistic ideas here over the last 12 years and I may have WRONGLY assumed that SowPubbers wouldn't have much interest in what a bum on the street does...

And maybe, I was wrong...

Maybe the members here DO want that kind of information, and if they are willing to pay 69 bux to get it...then who am I to say it isn't or is anything they would be interested in...

So, rather than fight the flow, why not go with it, because surely I can create tons of this kind of information (not knowing what IT, thr Bum thing is), but I can write blind ads, albeit, I don't buy from them.

Give the people what they want.

So, I will.

Skip, I have respect for you, liked your ideas, gave you a glowing testimonial which I stand by for your report on your version of having first choice of profitable chattel products, it is a great report and one which I know you used and made money from.

So, if you agree, let's just square up, no hard feelings, I admit I was wrong now that I have the REST OF THE STORY...and I'll try to do better here at sowpub and deliver the kind of information that people want and readily PAY FOR, fair enough?

Gordon Jay Alexander

PS I've deleted my "clarification" post, now that things have been clarified for me here.


Also, I've recently stumbled across, almost literally, an unknown way, at least in my 50 years of looking for ways to make money...a way in which a person can make an easy 300 dollars a day, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year...all on auto pilot without having to speak to a single person. Hope to be able to share it soon, after my testing is done, OK?

Originally Posted by Skip Rosell

Hi Rick,

Thank you for showing me something that I am doing wrong lately.

I have had some health problems lately (not an excuse) and have doctors appointments most days. Just getting older and heart and blood pressure issues that they are trying to control.

But that has limited my time and I have not been taking the time to convey the whole story in every email.

The part about not endorsing products in the email to you and others is in reference to just one website that I put up and the products on that website.

I will not give the link to that site here because I do not want to add to the confusion I have already caused. The site is a free blog that I set up for my own use with WSO (warrior special offers). The warrior forum lately have hundreds of WSO's each month now on all type of subjects like SEO, Backlinking, Article writing, etc. I wanted to list on this free blog just the WSO's that interested me and on fast cash or easy systems to make some extra cash. Then as I got time I would buy these products to test out and then write a report or case study on my results. This was at the beginning just for my own use.

Then I got a bright idea. (bad, bad, idea now I see)

My bright idea was if I was interested in these WSO's then my list would be interested in these and I would save them time looking through all the hundred of WSO's to find them. Then I got another bright idea.

Why not put the link to each of these products as my affiliate link and make a buck or two off of any that were sold.

But I wanted to be honest with my list and I told them in the first post that I have not bought some of these products and therefore I could not endorse them. Then I made another mistake. I got so many emails with questions on some of these listings that I started to "short" answer these emails to keep up with them.

Instead of taken each question from my list and answer fully I just got it in my mind that the list member KNEW I didn't buy some of these products and gave short answers without explaining to each one.

I lost track of my core reason for writing to my list. To help them make some quick cash with a good product. As you said I have always in the past tested all the reports myself before I sent any thing out.

I put in disclaimers because I wanted to be honest. I said I don't endorse products that I have not tested because I wanted to be honest. But by not explaining this in full in each email I did all of the people that are my customers and friends an injustice. Sorry.

From now on I will not send an offer out UNLESS I have tested it whether it is my own report idea or a case study on an affiliate product.

I also started to "Short" answer in my posts here on sowpub.

When I said I would not be doing the Bum method myself I just thought everyone one knew I was talking about the bums’ appearance and not the actual work of doing the program. But I quickly put that disclaimer in because I wanted to be honest. I did not put an affiliate link in my signature or in the post for the book because I just knew the people here on SowPub were NOT the target market.

I am sorry that I hurt my friends just to save some time and not do them the justice they deserve from me. Enough excuses!

Time to get back to treating my friends like I have for the last 8 years and give them only the knowledge I have acquire by TESTing each and every product.

Let me start and apologize to Rick, Gordon, Dien, Tom, Glenn, and all the others that have posted or read these posts. I promise to do better.

Best of success,

Skip Rosell

Short answer: All's square and no hard feelings

Long answer.

To show my remorse to my friends I am going to show you how to take a post that was listed here on SowPub and make some quick money with it. For free!

The free part is the report AND the cost to set up a quick cash system. I read a post by Jason Hatchett about A-frame signs.

http://www.sowpub.com/forum/showthre...t=a+frame+sign

There is no out of pocket expense to do this test to see if it will work in your area. Most programs may work in one area and not another area. This thread is getting quite long and this is off topic so I am going to post the "rest of the story" in a new thread.

Watch for my A-Frame post coming soon! Even if you are all thumbs and don't know a screw driver from a saw check out my post on A-frame signs, ok?

Best of success,

Skip Rosell

Originally Posted by GordonJ

First, I GET the health things. Health issues eat away at your time, and, in my case, certainly, my judgment as I too have made mistakes.

I regard you as a friend, and a friend of SowPub.

I too, didn't get the WSO blog thing, and wrongly wrote it off as Skip being desperate for some fast bux...now that I see what you INTENDED to do, it makes more sense and is, in my opinion, a good idea.

The way the WSO is being done these days, it is hard to separate the wheat (2%) from the BS chaff 98% so your idea has merit because you are taking time to pull out what you consider to be an idea worthy of follow up.

I also regard Glenn as a friend and a great contributor to the SOW pub forum, and I regard him as a master manipulator (nothing negative there) whom I for one, can certainly learn from.

My issue is with blind ads and I guess, I misread and/or MISinterpreted your reasons for not doing the Bum thing, so, my apologies for that.

Still, I think dragging your 12 year old daughter to a late night gas station to scrounge around for a few bux seems to be, and I may be totally wrong on this, and need to pull my head out of my ****...

seems to be "beneath" the members of SowPub, whom, over the years have shown a higher understanding of making money, that is, are NOT the vast majority like you find at other forums, desperate people looking how to make an easy buck...

We've presented hundreds of workable, doable and realistic ideas here over the last 12 years and I may have WRONGLY assumed that SowPubbers wouldn't have much interest in what a bum on the street does...

And maybe, I was wrong...

Maybe the members here DO want that kind of information, and if they are willing to pay 69 bux to get it...then who am I to say it isn't or is anything they would be interested in...

So, rather than fight the flow, why not go with it, because surely I can create tons of this kind of information (not knowing what IT, thr Bum thing is), but I can write blind ads, albeit, I don't buy from them.

Give the people what they want.

So, I will.

Skip, I have respect for you, liked your ideas, gave you a glowing testimonial which I stand by for your report on your version of having first choice of profitable chattel products, it is a great report and one which I know you used and made money from.

So, if you agree, let's just square up, no hard feelings, I admit I was wrong now that I have the REST OF THE STORY...and I'll try to do better here at sowpub and deliver the kind of information that people want and readily PAY FOR, fair enough?

Gordon Jay Alexander

PS I've deleted my "clarification" post, now that things have been clarified for me here.


Also, I've recently stumbled across, almost literally, an unknown way, at least in my 50 years of looking for ways to make money...a way in which a person can make an easy 300 dollars a day, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year...all on auto pilot without having to speak to a single person. Hope to be able to share it soon, after my testing is done, OK?