What women/men want

I wasn't going to post this, just keep it in my idea file but, based on your last post, TW, I changed my mind so...here it is:

Well, TW, this isn't the place for the type of posts that could be made about this topic so I'll just state a couple of facts and let it go at that.

I'm sick and tired of hearing that men are so super-sexed and all that and that women don't have problems in that area. Super wrong! Sometimes the 'draw' that a woman feels for a member of the male gender is VERY strong and almost irresistible as you phrased it. Men don't have a lock on attraction. This erroneous belief is a manifestation of men's Madonna Complex more than reality.

As for Dennis, well, he's walking the fence, even so. More of an apologist than anything else. Like his stand on pornography, for example. If men are so aroused naturally by women, why would they need ****? I'll tell you why: because of their impotence and need to dominate and feel superior to women. **** fulfills their baser instincts toward women (look at how much **** is abusive and demeaning to women) that they're secretly deathly afraid they might act out...and end up in hell or jail (is there a difference?). Serial killer Bundy admitted that he used **** prior to committing his offenses so he could stop seeing women as people and just see them as objects. **** kills the best instincts of people.

Men need to stop buying into the hype and come down to earth and realize that they, too, use their emotions, albeit in different ways sometimes than women. Women need to stop buying into the Madonna myth and admit that they're human beings, too. Men and women aren't really that far apart sexually or emotionally. The major differences are cultural, not actual. A study of some primitive cultures where sexuality is as natural as breathing shows this to be true.

Sandi Bowman
P.S. Bozo is right on, as far as it goes, IMHO.

Sandi...you are not going to really like this but TW is right on the way men think. It is very tough for women to really to actually deal with and that why this subject is really something to talk about with other women.

I totally see what he is saying because we do work VERY differently.
Sex is a BIG motivator for men and it VERY difficult to repress at ALL times.
It is a constant battle.

I mean just look at it from a pop culture way. TW made a good observation regarding ****. I mean there are thousands of websites, videos and magazines made for men.


Other then one Playgirl magazine, I have never seen anything for women.

Why is that?


Now go to your local book store and you will see more then 20 or 30 BRIDAL magazines for women...guess how many wedding magazines are made for men?


ZERO!...

there is no such thing as a Tuxedo magazine or wedding magazine for men because there is not market for it.....

When it comes to what men basically want .....I am not saying that companionship does not fit into equation but...men are VERY simple compared to women....

Sorry if this bothers you

Terrance

Terrance, thanks for your views.

Like I said: study primitive societies that are without our hangups about sexuality and observe how little problem it is for both men and women.

Men and women in this society are subject to a ton of conditioning by the people who wish to exploit sexuality for their own reasons. This conditioning is a BIG part of the problem that you and TW seem to have with your sexuality. Sorry to be so blunt but it's all Pavlov in practice...with men being the dogs.

The only other reason men would have such a huge problem with controlling their drives is that they are those rare folks with extra male chromosomes in their physical makeup. For these unfortunates, it can really be a problem.

Sandi Bowman

Sandi

First, the reason most other primitive societies do not have the hang ups like we do isn't because of the men ....it is the conditioning of modern females that has caused the issues.

The thing that effects me and about every other male on the planet could be some conditioning to a small point...but there is MUCH MORE biological evidence also.

The male sex drive makes us do things in a very simple (non-complex way)
Females are the ones where it is virtually impossible to understand because everything is complicated to quantify.

I want you to check this link out to describe exactly what I mean from a SCIENTIFIC point of view

http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/se...-women-compare



Terrance

Well, I went to the thread. Didn't learn anything new. That is very old 'news' and most of it has been disproven. You or anyone else will read into what they wish to so I can't really comment any further on it. There were no 'controls', no scientific criteria established, and the questions were improperly phrased for a true research process. They never did state a hypothesis to prove or disprove.

Thanks for the input folks. Looks like I have more urgent things to take care of now since hubby is not well. Gotta run...

Sandi Bowman

Sandi

Now Sandi....you know you cannot leave yet...

Now you asked the question.....why?
This is why TW replied that it would not work because
most people cannot handle the results and therefore just brush it off.

Now I just provided you a link to some reseach done by scientists that relates to this sort of thing on men/women behavior and motivations
and you blew it off....

Terrance

Here's the struggle/INNER dialog (that men go through -- and I think women do NOT go through this same struggle)...

The 'problem' of 'the visual'... "If you look like [certain body shape], I want to **** you, RIGHT NOW."

A large part of a man's brain produces NOTHING but that ONE simple mantra -- and there's nothing he can do about it.

Again -- here it is... "If you look like [certain body shape], I want to **** you, RIGHT NOW."

Then comes... The problem of guilt... "If something as TRIVIAL and SUPERFICIAL as that (how a woman LOOKS (only)) is as powerful and important to me (in ways I can't control or understand), then I must be a complete CAD!"

This is NOT the same as a Harlequin novel (if it WERE the same, men would read Harlequin novels -- and they DON'T!). A romance novel eventaully reaches the same 'conclusion,' but the PATH it takes to get there is very, very different. One difference is... THERE IS A PATH! Thousands of words are taken up as the PATH.

Again, I have just given you the "path" that takes place in men's minds -- here (again) is the complete "path"...

"If you look like [certain body shape], I want to **** you, RIGHT NOW."

You have just learned the *complete* "path" men have in their minds. You may notice a lack of nuance or romance -- or even words.

Yes, in terms of sexuality, men are no more complicated than this...

"If you look like [certain body shape], I want to **** you, RIGHT NOW."

Now, LOVE is more complicated than that -- for men too.

But sex? Nope. For men, sexual attraction can reliably be summed up as...

"If you look like [certain body shape], I want to **** you, RIGHT NOW."

And no, I do not believe women must struggle with this same inner dialog every second of the day, as men do.

The difference is the SIMPLICITY + the VISUAL aspect.

That's why **** appeals to men + not to women (generally).

**** is simple + visual -- and it fits in with the simple inner mantra...

"If you look like [certain body shape], I want to **** you, RIGHT NOW."

PS: the flip side of that is... "If you do NOT look like [certain body shape], I do NOT want to [etc.]" I had this discussion with a friend (female) who has two teenage daughters who are overweight. She was trying to tell them weight doesn't really matter -- it's what's inside that counts, blah, blah, blah.
I told her she was lying to her daughters, and I was sure they KNEW it. Women who do not fit into our society's VERY NARROW idea of what the 'proper' body shape is (to be sexually attractive) ARE at a disadvantage (in terms of being sexually attractive to men). That's just the truth. Men *DO* objectify women -- the visual *IS* of utmost importance to them. THAT'S the point of that info product. The point is, "Your husband's NOT a pervert." (not YOUR husband, Sandi -- I mean that radio guy's point is wives (in general) shouldn't think of their husbands as being 'perverts' because they thrive on VISUAL (only) attraction -- such as ****, women passing on the street, etc.

Now, you say, well that's all CULTURALLY INDUCED. To which I say -- YES! It is all culturally induced! -- So is using a knife + fork to eat, using toilet paper, and eating cows instead of dogs. What is considered sexually attractive is ***ALWAYS*** culturally induced!!! In the 60's M. Monroe was a sex symbol -- today she would be considered a 'fat chick.'